This page is for talking about the wiki as a whole, since it seems we don't know how to use the other pages meant for the purpose.
Old conversations have been moved aside to keep this page less cluttered:
 Are we growing too insular?
I've been hearing a lot of bad things about us on /tg/- they think we're no longer fully representative of /tg/ itself anymore and discourage new editors from joining up. Does anyone think that's really the case or am I just taking random people's opinions way too seriously?--Newerfag (talk) 05:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- It's a valid concern but I don't think so. From an archive dive my impression was that people's anger came from one of three sources.
- 1. Wikifag banned them. Knowing what it takes to get this I don't feel bad.
- 2. Skub arguments.
- 3. They don't like the hysterical editorial tone, which comes almost exclusively from anons on certain pages (see: Matt Ward).
- So really if anything it seems like the opposite. We should stay vigilant against becoming an angry clique, but that should mean having zero standards for what belongs here. --Petro (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I think the third one might be the biggest problen- people see that and assume that the whole wiki is a mix of lies and hyperbole. I've already seen people demanding that we cite our sources without even the smallest hint of irony and basically accuse the wiki of ignoring facts in favor of hyperbole and exaggerations. That's not going to do us any favors at all- while I've always advocated for some form of quality control, I don't want this site to become a dry Wikipedia-for-/tg/ kind of place either. Unless we find a middle ground, the board's already low opinion of us is likely to just keep getting worse.--Newerfag (talk) 15:05, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Well, it's a wiki. Our quality control should be the more active, editorially-minded editors (such as yourself and myself) editing and reformatting articles. And if there's a bad article with lots of hyperbole and poor fact-checking, people can (and should) come edit it. I don't know that there's much more we can do besides trying to convince more fa/tg/uys to come and edit articles, to have a broader spectrum of opinions and editors. Dok (talk)
- But how do we go about convincing more people to sign up? We can't exactly make a thread saying "hey everyone, sign up for 1d4chan and help us out" without coming across as kind of desperate. Maybe we could start by cleaning up the extreme hyperbole in several places (for example, the Dreadknight article seems like it was made at the peak of anti-Ward hysteria and comes off as irrationally whiny, and some of the stuff in the C.S. Goto article like the backflipping Terminator didn't actually happen). I'll try to do some of that now.--Newerfag (talk) 16:42, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good idea. I'm trying to corral some of the poorer-written stuff so that the wiki "looks" cleaner. I think that's a good lesson to take away from what you said above: we should keep the core of /tg/-style humour and opinions, but make sure it's not hyperbolic or just plain messy, as a middle ground. But yeah, I'm not sure how to get people to come help us. Perhaps we should create a new topic of discussion for that? (By the way, I didn't know the backflipping Terminator didn't actually happen. Thanks for the heads up.) Dok (talk)
- I didn't realize it myself at first- it was only after looking through the book where it supposedly appeared that I realized it was a passage taken out of context (a Terminator fighting a Dark Reaper) and noticed that the Dark Reaper was the one doing the backflips and not the Terminator. It's probable that at least one or two other things up there are also misinterpretations or exaggerations that people just didn't bother to check after they were repeated enough times.--Newerfag (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
> I've been hearing a lot of bad things about us...
You should never let someone else calling you a shitbag traitor be your criteria for success, because there will always be people who need to call you a traitor so they can reassure themselves they are pure and loyal.
There's going to be a group of people that will accuse anyone not them of being 'part of the enemy'. They are a vocal minority, and the more passionate they are, the more they should be ignored. They will never be mollified, because their accusations are how they prove to [themselves] they are part of the tribe, so they will never stop accusing. (See: accusations of "being taken over by redditors," or "sold out to the 9gag army, " or "U TUMBLR U TUMBLR"). --NotBrandX (talk) 15:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The problem with exerting editorial control over pages like Ward and Goto is that any work will be rapidly buried. I've personally rewritten Matt Ward at least 3 times and you'd never know it from how it looks. Add to that the fact that certain anons will violently resist having their edits pruned and you basically have the current situation (quarantine article). -Petro (talk)
- Perhaps the problem pages could be semi-protected- anons won't be able to edit them but registered users (who will hopefully be more capable of making good edits than the average anon) will still be able to do so. It's not an ideal solution by any means, but it's the only one that seems practical to me. --Newerfag (talk) 16:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 New blood needed
As was mentioned earlier, this wiki could benefit from some new blood- not just anonymous users, but reliable, consistent editors who are willing to keep the wiki up to date and well-written. Problem is, how do we do it without coming off as desperate or something like that? We can't exactly make threads on /tg/ begging for new users.--Newerfag (talk) 17:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 Spambots in 014.M3
The days of yore, where spambots roamed like Orks.
I've informed Wikifag of the recent (ongoing as of this post) wave of spambots. The captcha questions might be changed up in response. Until then, keep marking spam pages for deletion as you come across them, and keep editing as well. The spambots' pattern seems to be making spam on new pages, but keep an eye out for spam edits on pages on your watchlist just in case -- I'll keep an eye on edits being made by new users until the spam is attenuated, but you all have many more eyes than I do. --AssistantWikifag (talk) 03:55, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- I've wondered for a while now, how often and how widespread do these Spambots appear on this wiki? -Derpysaurus
- Its in sporadic periods now these days. Back then before captcha questions were implemented, it was like an Ork waaaagh here. Even ended up getting the wiki temporarily screwed.
Tactical Mehren (talk) 09:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- Oh Jesus! So it was like the War for Armageddon but in internet form eh?-Derpysaurus
- Look at the image. That's only half of them on a screen 1080px tall. It got THAT bad. - Biggus Berrus (talk) 11:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- More like matching 4 AI Ork armies against 3 AI Imperial Guard armies plus you in a Dawn of War Skirmish. Its and endless wave of slaughter and fighten' with no end.
Tactical Mehren (talk) 12:45, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- Well...at least I could give the SPAMbots some credit that they are quite determined.-Derpysaurus
- saw the string 'Ff' added to Sisters of Battle, I'm sure it's a spambot testing the waters. But when I try to undo it, I get '404 File Not Found' when submitting the undo change. --NotBrandX (talk) 17:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- When I tried to revert the change, it worked. If everyone is hammering the F5 button to watch for spam, maybe that could cause issues. It could also be Wikifag tinkering on the backend (I dimly recall getting 404s while he implemented the last software update that brought us the current captcha system, but I'm not sure).
- In any case, the spammers don't seem to be making accounts more frequently than one per hour or two (nowhere near the levels depicted in the image; at that time, spam accounts were being made every five to ten minutes, according to the log), so there's not much point in checking more frequently than once or twice an hour. --AssistantWikifag (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- Recent 404 issues were caused by the server running out of disk space. It worked when my glamorous assistant tried it since judging from the time stamp that was shortly after I had cleared some space out. Something had gone wrong and was spewing a large number of temp files without cleaning up after itself - I have my suspicions as to the cause, but it may be a while before I can conclusively fix what it is. In the meantime I'll keep an eye on it and try to prevent it from getting out of hand again.
- Regarding spambots - they must have been taught the answers to our current question set. I will implement some exciting new questions shortly. --Wikifag (talk) 21:27, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 Setting Up a New Template
I've been meaning to archive all the Pathfinder classes into a table/link set of their own, like the 3 & 4e classes, but I don't know how. Does anyone mind giving me the broad outline? --220.127.116.11 01:11, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
- http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Template:Pathfinder-Classes Start filling it in, anon. - Biggus Berrus (talk) 09:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, my ursine friend. Unfortunately, I'm brushing up against the limitations of my incomplete experience with the game. If there's anyone out there who knows how Inquisitors, Magi, or Summoners work... I'd be obliged. --18.104.22.168 14:20, 20 February 2014 (UTC)