Talk:Drowtales

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At least with the D&D Drow you know where you stand: these are sprung from the fapfic fantasies of a borderline disorder edgy gothic kid. --81.213.214.211 11:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


I see my review echoing across websites and I'm happy. This webcomic could be SO MUCH more, much more amazing when these Drow were not under thrall of religion... yet sunk so low and laden with logic fails... My anger is more of disappointment than intolerance. Heck, I love Warhammer 40000, thhe holy grail of grimdark because it does not have cringy bisexual drow, but true badass Dark Eldar. --SaltyMan (talk) 10:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Drowtales is bad and you should feel bad.

I don't even know why you're trying to argue against this Geniewalk848. Having some redeeming bits doesn't mean something isn't terrible. Having people that like it doesn't make it good. If you can provide reasons that make sense for why something is as bad as it is, despite the fandom that it's garnered, then it's still bad regardless of how many people like it (see the Twilight series or 50 Shades of Grey as other examples for critically panned but commercially successful literature). Also pointing out that criticism leveled against the series is being deleted definitely isn't a complaint, it's just pointing out that a scummy thing is going on behind the scenes. -- Triacom (talk) 04:48, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Drowtales is not bad and you should not feel bad.
The majority of this page is a rant about the Nagyescsed plot, which is something the creator himself has addressed as being a weaker part of the story, as well as having so little to do with everything else that the human characters were not even named. The fucking humans in this story are like the 50 Ironborn assassins running from Ramsay Bolton in Game of Thrones because he had some dogs. Yes, it was stupid as fuck, but the story is so much bigger than this one scene that the dogs shouldn't be the sole focus of all discussion. Imagine trying to describe Tyrion, Tywin, Brienne, or Ned Stark to someone and the only thing they say is "But the dogs! What about the dogs? They ran from some dogs, right?" That's what Drowtales is like.
The page doesn't even mention Nuqrah'shareh, Felde, or Mimaneid, plot points that have 100 times more importance than "Ariel once attacked a human castle." There are thousands of pages of the drow characters fighting each other in beautiful full color pages that update daily. Even on /tg/ there are people who defend it.
The original header was perfectly accurate - it's skub. Anons fight over it. Talk about it's flaws all you want. But some anons actually do like it, and even if you don't it's ridiculous to compare this to something like FATAL. -- Geniewalk848 (talk) 05:07, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Strange, it looked to me like the bits about that story were just that, bits about that story while the majority of the article discusses the series in general. As I stated before having people who like it does not mean that it is good, unless those people can find a way to counter the bad points (which you've yet to do), and nothing that you've posted here states why that second bit you keep removing should stay gone. If you think it's in the wrong section then instead of deleting it, you should move it.
Something bad can still be skub because being bad does not mean it can't have a fanbase (unfortunately). That doesn't mean it's not bad and if that's too complicated for you, then you really shouldn't be on this wiki. To give another example, I'm a 40k player, and there's a few 40k books I think are really fucking shitty (see the talk page for the Damocles Crusade as a good example of that) however I can find dozens of people who like the books that I think are terrible. At the end of the day I can point out why these books are terrible, and these people state that they like them anyway, regardless of what flaws those books have. Does that mean my points are somehow invalid? Because people will just like shit while being unable to defend it from being shit?
Also I'm putting your argument in the topic I made to discuss this point. Making additional topics just to reply to earlier ones is a stupid idea. -- Triacom (talk) 05:32, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
I'll tell you what, if you don't want this to be called bad, then why not counter all of the negative points? If there's more negatives to the series than positives (and in Drowtales there's a hell of a lot of negatives considering that the series is flawed at the basest level) then it's a bad series, regardless of how many people like it. They can still feel free to like it all they want, and in fact there's an entire genre of media called 'so bad it's good' where people intentionally expose themselves to terrible things and enjoy them, while fully admitting that they're terrible.
Like I said, having a fanbase does not automatically make something good, or magically prevent it from being bad. -- Triacom (talk) 05:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Just keep calm

  1. There is no need be so hysterical. It is a web comic, after all. If you call author of web comic you do not like "virus of mankind" and want to "strangle him at birth" you need little more perspective. Shut down 4chan for a while and watch some news from real world, and you will see there are some worse things than bad art.
  2. This comics is called Drowtales, and it is about Drow, not humans. Humans are part of landscape, no protagonists. If humans never existed in DT world, nothing in the story would have to change (Kern said in one of the livestreams that he wouldn't use humans in the DT world if he was starting again). Drow are overpowered compared to humans, like IRL humans are overpowered compared to dogs, pigs, monkeys or other animals, but the story is about Drow fighting other Drow.
  3. If you are spreading this review "across websites", thank you. DT is one of the better known webcomics (rank 250 at http://topwebcomics.com right now), but there is no such thing as not enough publicity.
Literally kill the author? Glory to the Drowtales? Why is everyone so passionate about this all the sudden?--97.104.199.133 02:23, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
a man who is in denial of his own conscience and acts though truly is a miserable little fuck that should have strangled at his birth. I know people like him, and they are a drain on any workplace I've been in. Creative, in a way, but harmful to everyone. The true viruses of mankind. At least you can satiate parasites, these are the disease..." - Posted on 23:23, 15 April 2017‎ by SaltyMan
Read the history of this page. I am not passionate, more like amused, watching this perfect example of nerd rage ;-).--Justalurker (talk) 02:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Woop woop here come the bitch brigade. What sockpuppet of Kern are you? The one he jerks off in Tuesdays? --78.189.235.179 06:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
While I'll agree that SaltyMan's overreacting, this webcomic is really shitty and it seems you've completely missed the point Justalurker. Drowtales should be focused on the Drow, but to have them be such blatantly overpowered Mary Sues who are right simply because we're told they are is dumb and worth ridiculing. Introducing characters just to have them fulfill tropes or act as doormats for other characters is even dumber. It honestly doesn't really matter that the humans in the setting are getting shit on, what matters is how the characters are portrayed, after all you can have powerful characters who aren't mary sues, but if you lift them so far above everyone else in the setting, it's hard not to see the author stating that their favourite munchkins are better than everything else in the setting, and that there could never be any real threat to them beyond some other drow. Hell, if there were only drow pretty much all of the shitty points would remain as they are (especially every single bit regarding their slaves) and having no other races certainly wouldn't fix the series' completely and utterly broken moral compass, nor would it fix the blatant favoritism or poorly written characters and plot points. -- Triacom (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Pot, my name is Kettle...

Personally, I find it hilarious that the whining about a shitty webcomic is now actively becoming even more cringe-inducing than the webcomic could ever hope to be. If this is some kind of satire, congratulations I guess. If not...then wow, you really need to evaluate your priorities in life. --Newerfag (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2017 (UTC)