Talk:Female Space Marines

Recent Changes

Someone has added less funny bollocks to the entry. Have added some cynicism to the whole thing. Alas, it got undone. Now, if we could please avoid an edit ware and discuss it like reasonable sad gits, that would be great. AmbullFucker 02:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't funny, had too many masturbation jokes, and was more pedantic than the pedantic wanking that it was parodying.--68.205.143.175 03:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

One of the wanking jokes removed, probably needs more work, but this is all about the fapping, let's be honest AmbullFucker 12:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

And now we have idiots rambling about patriarchies and trying to draw real world comparisons that make no sense within the setting. Somebody has to make it clear that this article is supposed to be funny- gender politics can go fuck itself. --Newerfag (talk) 19:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Some general advice for all faggots. The SJW bullshit has to stop. Stop talking about retarded feminist crap in the context of 40k, because there is no context for it within the setting and it has no place here. And no bitching will not convince one nerd that it should be changed nor will proclamations about equality change Gdubs market policy despite any wishes you might have. A fictional medieval empire surrounded by and composed of murderous assholes and monsters is not going to care about feminism. The setting is all about wacky adventures with catholic space nazis; inequality is inherent to the setting so deal with it. Serious discussion, as if anything feminists say warrants that, doesn't belong here. This is a place for jokes about a fictional setting. Go back to tumblr. 12345combination 17:07, 2 Febuary 2015 (UTC)

Man, it's been a while since I visited this article. Somebody really needs to brush up on their knowledge of hormones, the difference between XX and XY chromosomes, and physiological differences. Not being a colossal faggot would also be a welcome step. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 01:05, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

RAAA....AAGE!

Recent edits are very funny. Since the more A's there is in R(A)GE, the funnier. Fatum 20:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Should we move that section to a page all on it's own? since that's what you usually do with sections that get larger than the original article. --NotBrandX 21:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Let's just trim it instead. Fatum 22:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

http://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Sighing_Marine.jpg

Now stop me if I'm mistaken, but if I remember properly, Larana Utorian wasn't a space marine, she was just daemon-possessed and wearing power armor. Badass, but power armor does not a space marine make.

Yea, you're right. But that daemon possesion made Larana wear power armour. It modified her average-young woman body to fit into a full-fledged astartes power armour to the point that no one visibly recognise that se was a fake. Sure, she does not have the extra organs or modified DNA (or at least Graham McNeil does not clear it), just a colossal mutation. I hace modified the section to include your point of view. I tought (and still think) that Larana was a example of fem. space marine for that. But I remember that en oficial lore, in the grat crusade there was members of the legions who couldn't be implanted the geneseed because their age. I remember that two of them were Luther of the Dark Angels and possibly Kor Phaeron of the Word Bearers, not 100% sure. They were augmented in other methods and inducted as astartes in their own right. Just like Larana i think, who got augmented by daemonc means and posed succesfully like Kroeger.

• Kor Phaeron wasn't viewed as a true Space Marine that's why he has a love-hate thing with the Word Bearers.

--Anon--

• This makes me question why we don't have another page here titled "Faux-startes". Luthor, Kor Phaeron, and Larana would be great examples. They aren't common place in the 40k setting anymore, but it appears that they were quite prevalent throughout the Great Crusade and subsequent Heresy eras. As an unskilled, anonymous fan of this website, I don't think I would be qualified to do that though.

--Another Anonymous User--

Swyer Space Marines?

So its been established that as it stands the technology to make space marines doesn't work on women, but what about people with Swyer syndrome? (For anyone unaware, Swyer syndrome, at least from my admittedly limited understanding; is essentially a defect in the gene that tells whether you have a Y-chromosome or not; causing the affected person to have the sexual characteristics of a female; whilst still having a Y-chromosome.)

The way the Imperium sees it, genetic disorder=mutation=HERESY. So no, there would be no such Marines like that. Odds are they'd be as despised as anyone else who has the bad luck to be a mutant, and as such they wouldn't even be considered as candidates. --Newerfag (talk) 22:56, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Just Some Ideas and Questions

Okay, I must admit I probably should have written this stuff here first, since this page is one that is changed with cautious consideration.

Few things to mention:

A) Intersex people aren't dealt with Marine-wise. For simplicity's sake of keeping track of comments, The Decree Passive allows anyone who isn't a man to be an Adepta Sororitas, which includes intersex people and depending on the leaning of Imperial Law, transwomen and/or transmen.

B) Thunder Warriors are not Space Marines and thus could include women.

C) Adeptus Custodes are not Space Marines and thus could include women.

D) Slaanesh is probably not the only Chaos God interested in Chaos Female Space Marines. All the others ones have numerous reasons.

E) Are these all things someone(s) on 1d4 don't want to deal with? If so, please explain. Really the only ones I think need stating are B and C.

-Skeptic Humie, 15:18, 2/8/2015

Are even transexuals existent in the Imperium? Aren't they purged because one might think they are Slaaneshi Worshippers? - Ben (talk) 09:58, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Or they would be relegated to work gangs with the rest of the mutants, because that's what happens to the deformed in 40k even if the mutations are not from Chaos.

More to the point why even bring up the "intersexed"? They have broken chromosomes which don't work right and leave them sickly and with tissue and hormone levels like those of a woman, but not quite. And it is very rare, 1/80,000 rare. Generally Spess Marines are the top male specimens of shithole worlds where the most popular pastimes and vocations are "hit it with a cudgel". They are the top 1/100 who survive out of the top 0.01% of dudes who manage to apply for the job. Also something people are glossing over because many are soft neckbeards in college, -4str is real, women are about 1/3 as strong as dudes and the very best women athletes our society produces are equal to rank amateur males or old foggy athletes in their 60s. Now in DnD where a random man can level until he can run at 30mph for hours without stopping nobody bothers to really inject realism of any sort into the equation and they shouldn't, but lets talk honestly since SJW faggots decided to shit up the page with their IRL "problems". Given that 97% of women in the army can't even manage to meet the male standards for basic army fitness let alone none of them have ever met the standards for entry into special forces or specialized infantry IRL do you really think there would be enough female recruits or even the vastly more rare "intersex" who can survive the fucking Spess Marhen entry exams which generally consist of gladiatorial combat and "don't get eaten by the space dinosaurs" or more often both. Maybe with the quadrillions of humans in the setting you'd get a few but is that really going to be worth the effort? Sure you could pump them full of steroids and other SPACE SCIENCE crap but why not just do that with the already more suitable dudes you have? Sure Chaos probably has freaky mutant chicks or Spess Marhens turned into chicks but that's because Chaos has everything due to space magic, and they certainly aren't some bullshit feminist empowerment wet dream.

And the feminist whining is ridiculous. There are IG chicks, we've seen them. The first Renegade you see in the Black Crusade RPG rulebook is a chick, probably a fallen IG commander. IRL these would be very unusual given the utter failure of the USSR which originally pushed gender equality in the military or the JIDF which used women in desperation to get women to not die at massively higher rates than males when they are part of actual combat formations, both those nations gave up on the idea because it just didn't work. So they are already throwing the rare girl who gives a fuck about 40k a bone and no dudes had a problem with it. Reality(as in biology) is sexist, deal with it. Now that doesn't impinge upon fantasy, but it also doesn't mean that fantasy need create some bullshit fantastical equality. I don't see feminist retards talking about making the exceedingly few Drow males who get any sort of power more visible. Nobody complains about Lolth liking girls better than dudes, she just does and gives them magic powers. 12345combination 13:37, 10 Febuary 2015 (UTC)

Slaanesh is about excess, not any kind of sex that isn't hetero. The other theory is unfortunately more believable. I'm not calling to question the presence of women in the Imperium, which goes to the highest ranks of the Imperium and is everywhere.... except.... the superhuman part. Also, drow and the Imperium are not the same thing. Lolth is specifically a malevolent, slaving, and sexist god with arachnophilia. The Emperor sought to create a secular government of equality.... hence my pointing out that there are still loopholes, which may have been intended. Also, if you want to talk real -4 strength stuff, consider this: most men aren't exactly eligible for the military either by current U.S. standards. If the 'Nam War was sex equal (besides how difficult that would make a drafting of the populace, but that's beside the point) then you'd have a lot of men and women not really fit to fight out there. Only 29% of the adult populace currently qualifies for service, all physical and mental things accounted for. -Skeptic Humie, 00:42, 2/14/2015

• Is that why the Emperor specifically said that it could only work on male humans, or are intersex people not mutants somehow? You're grasping at straws here, and whether it's because you feel this strongly about imaginary characters or if you need something to jerk off to that badly it's pathetic. I highly suggest you stop before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. Gender politics has no place on 1d4chan, and if you even read the article you'd know that it was supposed to be funny before the SJW brigade showed up. --Newerfag (talk) 16:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

-XP I agree entirely that posting scifi wet dreams on a website or anywhere AND trying to justify it, is a bad idea, on multiple levels, and it was not anywhere in my intentions. And don't worry, I'm not seeking justification to make TL;DR about Rule 63 Marines, it's not as if anyone who writes TL;DR has to or should, which is a nice thing about the 1d4 community. True enough, I should have realized this was humor. The funny thing, in an ironic, hilarious sort of way, is that this website also has a lot of info on 40k you can't find anywhere else with ease. Thanks for providing constructive feedback, beakie helmets for everybody! -Skeptic Humie, 20:00, (UTC), 14 February 2015

• Common mistake, but it happens a lot in this page for some reason. I'm not sure why, and something tells me it's best not to ask. To be fair though, the article is still a bit messy and it could probably use some cleanup to make the joke a bit more obvious. I've tried to polish it up a bit there myself but there's still a lot of work to be done. --Newerfag (talk) 22:06, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

>most men aren't exactly eligible for the military either by current U.S. standards Yeah man, because they are over 40, only about 30% of the adult population is going to be under 35 at this time. Almost any male between the ages of 18 and 35 when trained for a month or two can become fit enough to pass the basic exam, women even when trained for years, seem unable to. They've seen this when men are drafted. Don't give SJWs concessions by degrees, don't give them an inch or hide the facts to protect the illusion of equality. Don't do it, once they get a foot in the door they'll come in and shit on your couch. It's better for us to be assholes than to be permissive faggots who let them fuck this place up.12345combination 11:37, 25 Febuary 2015 (UTC)

>Almost any male between the ages of 18 and 35 when trained for a month or two can become fit enough to pass the basic exam, women even when trained for years, seem unable to

Sounds like bullshit (yet I don't know where you live, probably in some Daemonculaba there women can't move and their muscles atrophied).

>women are about 1/3 as strong as dudes

If more correctly 50-60% less strenght of upper body and 30% less of lower. You may be surprised, but they can get stronger.

>the very best women athletes our society produces are equal to rank amateur males

What the fuck i am reading about? Go to weightlifting records and female bodybuilding (not on megasteroids).

>get women to not die at massively higher rates than males when they are part of actual combat formations, both those nations gave up on the idea because it just didn't work

It's just sexism, not tactical genius. USSR puts equality only during the Industrialisation and (small amount) WW2. Later they return to gb2kitchen.

>E) Are these all things someone(s) on 1d4 don't want to deal with? If so, please explain. Really the only ones I think need stating are B and C.

Adeptus Mechanicus Biologis, artificial organs, Impy Guard "Gland Warriors".

Photos

There are some nice photographs of female soviet space marines ([1]) that I feel are worthy of being added to this glorious page, but I'm not sure if there are rules for pictures of people here, so I'm just going to drop it and let someone who knows what's happening add it to the page.

Creation of Female Space Marines

Some kind of blessed recipe of marinising the girls.

WARNING! It helps the girl to reach the gloriousness and perfection of Emperor's Fury, not become the one.

1. Take a suitable girls

If you expect many weaklings, then you are retard. It's the dark millennium, here (almost) ALL working for war and surviving and there are plenty of places to find good girls. Highly recommended feral, death, mining, agri-, forge- and hive-worlds, because women here works/hunts alongside men from teens, so they well suit our requirements.

2. Basics

Training, surviving in hazardous environment (daemon worlds is NOT an option), real gunfights with bad equipment and over creative ideas of selection just like those from space marines.

3. Augmentation

Yep, girls cannot into gene-seed, but do you know about Elysian D-99 or Gland Warriors? Just create several artificial organs that work similarly to gene-seed ones. Enlarge you girls in size so they can easily operate with heavy weapons and wear terminator armor with comfort.

4. Final

Their set of organ are not evolving like those of space marines, may be not as effective and they don't have Progenoids (can't create more organs with right tools), but they now can hold the line like Astartes and still have ability to birth (including potential recruits/serfs).

2nd primarch theory

we know one of the 2 missing primarchs was kicked out not for heresy (chaos was unknown at time) but for pissing of emps. we also know 1 of 2 missing primarchs was mutated in some way. it is plausible, though unlikely, that travel as an infant in the warp corrupted the Y chromosome of the 2nd primarch and lead to a female marine. due to her unique DNA marines made from her seed would have the ability to overcome the testorone treatment that allowed only males to become marines. her gender/mood swings/possible relationship with another primarch (hey never said the sex organs would not be turned back on like Russ had his enabled early in lore) would have caused issues with her 19 brothers/chapter. as such she was killed from records/left and is still away from imperium but loyal. to ideals ready to serve when needed. this theory has MINIMAL support except for a few choice comments from lore to make it plausible. seems to pop up every few years in reddit though. 49.2.43.153 07:46, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Games Workshop promises better "representation" in Warhammer 40,000

https://spikeybits.com/2017/10/female-representation-40k.html

Anyone willing to start a betting pool on whether or not this will lead to canon Female Space Marines? And more importantly, is it worth mentioning in this article? OriginalPrankster (talk) 01:38, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

• I'd bet it'd be something that would be possible, as honestly anything is in the post-AoS GW. As for mentioning, possibly a footnote until there's something more substantial. --Thannak (talk) 01:40, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Dark Imperium

I figured we should take our discussion here, since it offers more room than the edit description bar. The intent of this section isn't to discern the likelihood of Astartes sexual reproduction, but rather to offer a potential explanation for why there are no FSMs; that the Emperor didn't want to run the risk of Astartes being capable of sexual reproduction and limiting or eliminating his ability to keep their population in check. Keeping Space Marines mono-gendered eliminates this risk. Given that this theory has become an increasingly popular argument for the anti-FSM side on /tg/ in the past few months, it merits inclusion in this article. --Conqueror (talk) 04:36, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I did always find it odd that there were no female marines, with chromosomes being XY and XX seems like it would be doable on the surface. Do you know if there has been any cannon stuff about how maybe adding the black carapace or some of the implanted organs prevent space marine reproduction being feasible? In my head I've always wondered about how the Imperium continues to recruit space marine recruits that are genetically viable, but never reproduce. Considering the fact that we are 10,000+ years down the road, has the viable gene pool shrunk? Is the imperium slowly weeding out possible space marine recruits by inducting them without a continuation of their genetics in the general populace? I know the imperium is massive but so are the numbers of space marines and astra militarum so I feel like there has to be a reason that potential marine recruitment hasn't seemed to be a huge issue.--JizzKing (talk) 09:22, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I assume that the gene pool isn't as limited as it seems, but it also isn't very detectable. Given that intersex people or males with chromosomal disorders are never mentioned, it's probably not a huge issue (except for males with XX chromosomes), and it is just problematic because there's never a guarantee that the recruits will be compatible with their geneseed.

It is also worth mentioning that maybe the Emperor really was just stuck and didn't have time to recreate his Primarch project to include females; I see no reason why he's infallible (the same reason why Primaris Marines, despite using information the Emperor gave Cawl, were still made by Cawl and are an objective improvement over standard Marines). --Kracked Mynd (talk) 15:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)