Removed the massive amount of Ward derp. For fucks sake. AmbullFucker 15:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I'd allow that Ventris turned into an author avatar on blindly following the Codex, but seriously, saying that he's the biggest Mary Sue in Ultramarine history because he doesn't follow the Codex? That's ignoring a lot of things wrote Cato Sicarius and Marneus Calgar doing. -- SFH (talk) 20:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- IMO, it's all a matter of opinion. That said, it's best that we keep it relatively moderate if we can.--Newerfag (talk) 21:12, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- Cato and Calgar are special characters form the game, they're stuff is to hype them up so you would buy there models. Ventris meanwhile started out fine but slowly warps into an OC special Snowflake, to a point were he basically says the only way Ultramarines can be awesome/good is stop being Ultramarines, its like having some Wolf Lord telling the other Space Wolves to stop being Vikings and having wolves and Logan Grimnar agrees.
- They're ALL Mary Sues, now let's just leave it at that.--Newerfag (talk) 02:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)