Talk:Grimdark

Another Example

Personally I think Transmetropolitian (kinda dystopian Comic series by Warren Ellis from the 90s/beginning 2000s. Any thoughts?

Nobledark?

I'm wondering if this page needs a section titled NobleDark where the world is crap but it's possible to pull the world out of that state. ilniaj

Not sure if.....

...this could even be tangentially considered tg-related as I am about to discuss a VIDYA. Spec Ops the Line. reasons to consider mentioning it 1) It is the most successful grimdark setting I have ever experienced in any game ever, it physically made me sick and some points. And I like to think I piss vinegar and bleed motor oil. 2) It is a commentary work on the state of video gaming today (specifically shooters) and the mass of B-tards that play them. 3) It has Bruce boxleighner as a voice actor (the commander from Babylon 5)

Aside from those reasons I don't think that it is related to anything on tg at all. Maybe some wise oldfag could give insight into it.

And please excuse my bullshit.

Not even close to what we consider relevant. And for the record, it says absolutely nothing that hasn't been said years ago back in Apocalypse Now (and Heart of Darkness before that). The only thing missing was somebody saying "The horror...the horror...". Besides, when have we ever cared about shooters? --108.31.78.204 23:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Stop undoing my edits and hash it out on the godamn discuss page. You want to do a little argument here? fine. The following reasons are reasons I believe that Spec Ops: The Line belong on this page.

1)It IS grimdark, and perhaps one of the few examples that really had a powerful impact on people, as it is the one selling point of the game. It's content includes

• "sanity checks"
• "Horrifyingly large death tolls are perfectly normal. Just like in real life"
• "The vast majority are poor people who literally live in shit, dung, crime, and a plethora of all kinds of filthy diseases, except for a few greedy upper 1% who own 99.9% of everything. Just like in real life."
• "There are no "good guys"; everyone's a jerk, including you. Especially you."
• "Everyone will most likely die in the end. Especially the ones important to and including the main character."

2) The list already includes a GEARS OF WAR listing which is one of the shootiest shooters there is. The game I am listing is not AAA and is not even that mainstream.

3) The fact that it is based on a book is fine, if anything it adds to the concept of Heart of Darkness, by HAVING someone there to say "the horror... the horror". Which is the whole point of videogames is to involve the player. Any work or creation that adds to its own source material is a worthy foray and addition, NOT trite repetition.

Muv-Luv worthy of the grimdark?

Just read the Humanity Fuck Yeah article and the Muv-Luv Extra/Alternative real robot stories make for one of the darkest of Visual Novels. In fact the author of Attack on Titan states that he ripped off Muv-Luv. Tough the story is obviously shit compared to Muv-Luv due to lack of Dakka, nuking an entire country, a threat nowhere near comparable to the Beta (Tyranids with more "Imma firin mah LAZOR") and anything resembling a good story until AOT's recent arc where they overthrow the government. Though it might be worth it to wait until the Steam version is released for both Extra and Alternative before adding Muv-Luv to the article.

List

Seriously, this list is an unreadable mess. How about merely summing things up and linking to the main page (where appropriate)?

List...

Seconded, this list needs to be:

First, examined, trimmed (we probably don't need an entire paragraph explaining WHY the example is Grimdark) and seriously culled - Fucking seriously? Digimon? A little darker than your average anime for the target demo of TEN YEAR OLDS. Grimdark? FUCK no. If you need to spend that many letters trying to justify an example, it's probably a poor example.

Second, probably exported to a separate page at this point. --Turn-BasedAce (talk) 11:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)