Talk:Kaldor Draigo

The part about Draigo beating Mortarion but getting screwed by the less powerful M'Kar is the one part of this fluff that is actually fairly realistic and not pants on head retarded. This represents the unpredictable nature of battle and life in general. How many master swordsmen have fell on the battlefield just because the sun was in their eyes at the wrong moment, how many untrained mooks, armed with a pig sticker, have taken out their betters just because they got lucky and caught them off guard? Sometimes, no matter how good you are, it just depends how the dice fall.

The part of the fluff that truly is pants on head retarded, and deserving of all the rage directed towards it, is the part about Draigo taking a sunday stroll through the warp! And slaughtering all the Daemons of Chaos like he was swatting flies! He is in a place where the very dimension itself it trying to kill him and burn his soul! And is home to not only trillions upon trillions of Daemons but the Chaos Gods themselves! Fuck you Ward. Fuck you with a Powerfist! -- SkyDog 09/11/2011

I noticed the rage about Draigo beating Mortarion, and while get the rage over him beating the shit out of everything in the warp, beating Daemon Primarch is not something along the lines of completely unheard off since we did have a Great Wolf prove a challenge for Magnus the Red, and their was Angroth, who is stronger than the Primarchs, getting beaten by Hector Rex, and nobody complains about that.

Rex defeated An'ggrath, a greater daemon, not a primarch and we still do complain about that.--190.50.222.112 17:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

The difference is that the Great Wolf and Hector Rex didn't fight on their enemy's home turf. Daemons are a lot weaker outside of the warp than in.Biggus Berrus 09:12, 28 October 2011 (BST)

Yea, demons are basically burned away by the materium, and unless they can possess somebody or are constantly being juiced by sacrifice they will be cast back into the warp. Inside the warp the exact opposite is true, and most humans have to concentrate really hard just to avoid sprouting an extra spine. By comparison Draigo's exploits put him just shy of (if not on the same level as) the friggin Emperor. Fucking Ward. --64.202.243.128 22:35, 28 October 2011 (BST)

• It gets worse. Until the fifth edition mortals couldn't even enter the warp. Doing so would outright kill them or utterly obliterate their souls. The only way they could any slight hope of survival would have been with the protection of a powerful daemonic ally. It's why the Imperium never launched a massive crusade against all daemon kind. And then Ward comes along, chooses to ignore that perfectly reasonable rule and violates the fluff with a fish-fork.--2.24.217.217 23:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Powerful demonic ally? Curb stomping daemons? Kaldor Draigo makes sense when you insist that he's secretly a daemon prince of Malal.

The guy above me claiming people can't enter the warp obviously never read how Imperial teleporters work, or that it is indeed possible to survive on ship with failed Gellar field if you immediately exit the Warp. Fuck, orks travel the warp on space hulks with no Gellar fields all the time, where you were to complain then?

Yeah, you can survive in the warp for seconds, not hang around there fucking with the chaos gods' shit and going why are you hitting yourself huh huh why are you hitting yourself does this bug you slaanesh im not touching you why does this bug you. You can only do that in Matt Ward is playing with himself land. Tim 11:49, 1 June 2012 (BST)

I got that a Space Marine shouldn't be able to beat daemons inthe warp, I'm pointing that him beating Mortarion in the Materium isn't the sort of canon rape people on the sight keep saying it is. For that matter, why have people not felt like pointing out that if he could take on Daemon Primarch, why he would nearly get killed by a a common Daemon Prince that Mephiston took on barehanded?

• Checks his codex* Oh yea, that did happen in the materium. But yes it is weird that Draigo, despite his alleged superhuman abilities, lost to M'kar. I think I'm going to make him an article, since he's a failure of Abaddonian proportions. --Petro 15:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Just goes show another there's more fail in Matt Ward's writing that needs to be pointed out.

Rulebook provides an implication that GK might be latest and the most advanced creation of Emperor, surpassing Primarchs (cue comparision with Sanguinius). This, however, doesn't excuse most part of Draigo's fluff, especially having happy campling in the warp.

The Marbo Theory

Draigo's fluffstory is such fluffwankery that there can be only one explanation for his apparent existence: Draigo is in fact Sly Marbo. Both seemingly appear from nowhere. Both strike at the heart of the enemy. Both kill mercilessly. Both then disappear without a trace.

Either Draigo is Marbo, or the Great Wardite Heresy has planted an agent at the very heart of the Grey Knights, ready to subvert the Emperor's rule.

It still doesn't really belong in a strike-reply. The whole thing with Kaldor doing something that was supposed to be impressive when a Primarch did it really shows Ward's sloppiness regarding 40k history; it's not like this is some obscure little battle he's forgetting, it's the bloody Horus Heresy, one of the two events (the other being the fall of the Eldar) that define the entire universe. Sanguinius killing the Bloodthirster is supposed to show how powerful he is (AS A PRIMARCH), by extension how powerful Horus is to defeat him, and therefore how powerful the Emperor was to prevail. Making that something a regular Chapter Master can do no probs manages to depreciate all three of the most important figures in the most pivotal moment of the Imperium's history. The Bloodthirster kill is the absolute failure of a writer to know even the most basic facts about what the fucking hell he's supposed to be writing. Tim 09:25, 30 April 2012 (BST)

Except, Einstein, Sanguinius did that untrained and having no idea what his foe is, while Draigo is literally living anti-daemon weapon. Have you stopped to think about it for a second? One guy armed with a rifle killing a tank is hell more impressive than another with the RPG doing the same.

He's a Primarch, he is the most powerful Primarch, and Drago is just a chapter master. Drago should not be better at anything than Sanguinus or even close to equal to him, and only is because he's Ward's horrifyingly stupid self-insert. Tim 11:44, 1 June 2012 (BST)

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