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THE GRAND DAD EMPIRE ARE a prolific VINESAUCE-centric MEME group based in BEDROCK CITY. Their largest periods of activity seemed to be around the time SILVAGUNNER was terminated, when they were hosting several unofficial VINESAUCE gaming events (which they assure you repeatedly are not official Tournaments and are in no way affiliated with JOEL).

They operated out of the SilvaGunner YouTube channel until it was terminated in 2014, after which they appear to have transitioned briefly to GiivaSunner in September of 2016 before returning to SilvaGunner in June of 2018.

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The original forums appeared to function as four services: preparation and communication in service of coming events, discussion about new HIGH-QUALITY RIPS, MEME showcase, and general VINESAUCE or unrelated discussion.

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== EVENTS ==

The VINESAUCE MEME events that The GRAND DAD EMPIRE held were known for being diverse and involved, due in large part to their incredibly strong YTP scene. These events would involve VINESAUCE-branded fan-made HIGH-QUALITY RIPS for SONGS that wouldn't exist for nearly a decade, and some that still don't! They also hosted some of the first KING FOR ANOTHER DAY tournaments, with fan HIGH-QUALITY RIPS.

In later years, an event known as GRAND FEST was hosting PREMIERES for GRAND DAD Fantasy, KING FOR ANOTHER DAY, GRANDmachine, HE THICC 69, and MEME Wars, as of 2019.

HIGH-QUALITY RIPS and MEMES

Some HIGH-QUALITY RIPS appear to have seen releases or updates in 5th and 6th edition. Note that The GRAND DAD EMPIRE seem to have been most active between 2012 and 2019.

• GRAND DAD 2: SPASTIC BOOGALOO
• GRAND DAD 3: THE GAUNTLET OF ASS (FEATURING SMOL NOZOMI, TITO DICKMAN, SPONGE, HE THICC, and SANS UNDERTALE)
• GRAND DAD 4: GRAND DAD IS GOD
• GRAND DAD 5: DEATH TO 1D4CHAN

GRAND DAD IS LOVE GRAND DAD IS LIFE GRAND DAD WILL CONQUER THIS WIKI FOR MEMES FOR VINESAUCE AND FOR SILVAGUNNERhout the page. -- Triacom (talk) 04:56, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

1. Thanks. Though I was trying to get this line to be numbered 2 instead of 1 and the collapsible section be contained within a vignette, as it's part of a list instead of a regular collapsible section in between two normal non-consecutive numbered vignettes. Srry for the confusion. -- Zerghalo2 (talk) 07:29, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

In that cast it would be better to make the vignette inside the collapsible section with a description as to what it is outside of it. -- Triacom (talk) 14:43, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

TTS Quotes

I know people are gonna throw opinions like "its cancer"....etc, I'm in the minority about this, and this is an incredibly minute issue; but considering we keep, user-made, LOL ECKSDEE I'M A TEEGEE MEMER XD, quotes, which TBH is both edgy and cancerous but I keep it anyway because...actually I don't know why; why is it that there's a specific bias against occasionally using fitting quotations from TTS? I mean I can understand removing it if there's no context to the article at hand and just thrown in there for LOL FUNNI, but any mention is almost guaranteed to get shut down, even if its appropriate or fits a long-running joke. Tactical Mehren (talk) 03:57, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

If you feel the need to use a TTS quote to punctuate a point, feel free. I certainly won't revert it. But I suggest you use them like any other quotation: in full, with attribution, and not as an in-sentance punchline. --FlintTD (talk) 04:35, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

I think the issue here isn't that they're LOL ECKSDEE MEMER XD quotes. It's that they aren't /tg/'s LOL ECKSDEE MEMER XD quotes. --2605:A000:122D:2313:0:CF2F:7678:B024 20:12, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

To join in on this way too late, in my opinion it's more that it's from a show that once was funny, but has since gotten its head shoved so far up its own ass that it's well into becoming impossible to tell a joke apart from what they're earnestly trying to do (and sometimes one retroactively becomes the other and vice-versa). Also the show likes to mock the lore while getting a lot of it wrong, lot of of times it's intentional, and a lot of times it's not which makes it feel like it's somebody who wants to tell you how wrong you are about something, but doing it in a way where they don't realize they're in the exact same boat you're in and with no awareness that they could even be getting anything wrong. In any case I've removed TTS quotes in the past, usually because they've wrongly described what they've been attributed to. -- Triacom (talk) 04:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Captcha

I've been having an impossible time getting past it.

With which question do you have problems? What browser and which extensions are you using? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 19:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I kept getting one of three questions. I just made another go at it, got one of those 3 questions and answered it fine. So I assume it's not a problem anymore --Emerald Claw (talk) 15:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Don't bother newfags

If you attempt to write anything some body doesn't like here, more than likely they will spam revise it to its original state. Attempting to provide something serious or writing a page here will result in it being spam edited to suit other people's personal preferences. In the grim darkness of the far future, is a wiki held in power to suit the needs of a few people on here. --Nicol bolas (talk) 10:28, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

He said, having clearly learned nothing from the last time he whined here.

Back to the mine with you, salt beast. --72.89.208.68 10:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Unban request for Evilexecutive

Hello, I am evilexecutive. A couple months ago I requested a temporary ban so that I could get my shit together for college, now I have returned for Remoon's summons. I'm apparently needed to help fix up Codex: Knights Inductor for 8th edition. Also as an aside, I have apparently forgotten my password.

You're unblocked. Welcome back, and I hope college has gone well for you. --AssistantWikifag (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Rules in the Pages

I don't like rocking the boat, but I want to get everyone's opinion on including explicit rules for Warhammer models or units within their main pages, and therefor outside the army's Tactics page. I personally find it bothersome, as most of the rules are injected into a less-than-fitting place in the article. This is really noticeable to me now, since 8th Edition has changed how all kinds of things work. I've been moving these rule blurbs into their approximate Edition's Tactics pages, if they aren't already present there in paraphrased form.

Let me be clear: I have no problems with referencing how the game works, especially how it changes from edition to edition. I take issue with articles that start out in the fluff and then make a hard turn into the crunch: discussing gameplay tactics, complaining about one faction's special rules or weapons countering another's, and outlining exact "Heavy 5, AP -1" statlines in a sentence and paragraph that seemingly was fluff-oriented. Can I get any kind of consensus on these "floating rules"? I would prefer not to start edit wars over this. --FlintTD (talk) 19:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Tangentially /tg/ Related Pages

Can we get a ruling on the pages loosely tied to /tg/, and amount of information allowed on them? Thus far we’ve had full wiki pages that go in-depth into anything related to /tg/ interests even if not outright tabletop games (such as Fallout, World of Warcraft, and Transformers), but currently there seems to be debate on this between users. I am on the “anything goes” side of the fence, but an official ruling and some Contributor-wide debate may be appropriate. --Thannak (talk) 20:47, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I on the other hand have consistently taken the opposite standpoint that for those pages we only need the most important information about the setting, as well as (for video game articles) one or two paragraphs dedicated to each game in the series and sections for the actual tabletop games that use said settings. There is a difference between merely elaborating on elements of a setting and adding long tangents on matters that rarely come up even in the original media. It is not necessary or even desirable for us to try and give a full analysis of a given setting that isn't an integral part of /tg/ culture, just enough to cover the basics along with a source for people to get more information should they wish for it. --Newerfag (talk) 20:58, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Counterpoint-this is not a professional wiki. This is partially an informal information source, none of which should be taken as wholly trustworthy and merely as a point for further research barring that rare exception where a citation is provided. It is also partially a joke site that uses parody, sarcasm, and memes combined with a general disregard for legitimate wiki norms. Finally, it is a repository for just about anything /tg/ from people's own homebrews to old archived quests and writefaggotry to article edit slapfights stemming from differing perspectives on works of fiction. So to put it bluntly, this is NOT a real wiki; it can be informative, but trying to hold it to such a high standard can only be interpreted as misguided or as a very clever but ultimately too opaque type of performance comedy. It would be like trying to clean up a Letters To The Editor section of Mad Magazine. Your desired end result would be to cut the bulk of content from most of the pages of this wiki, entirely deleting most of the rest. --Thannak (talk) 02:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, right now we don't really have much of a standard at all. That directly leads to many articles being prone to semicoherent tangents and the spamming of memes that have been forgotten about years ago that comes off as unfunny instead of irreverent. As for "the bulk of the content", that's a gross exaggeration at best since most of our content is what I consider "first order /tg/": that is to say, franchises such as 40k that are considered integral to /tg/'s basic identity or homebrew content that originated on /tg/. Much of what I reduce is far less connected and is much less likely to be missed by the average /tg/ denizen. I've been saying as much for the last couple of years I've brought this subject up, and whenever I have made a cull on a given page only one or two people appear to object at any given time.

To use a recent example, on the Fallout and Command and Conquer pages that I have recently cut down on, the majority of the removed content can be described as either complaining about Bethesda or EA (respectively) as if this was an offshoot of /v/ or focusing obsessively on minor plot points and characters who the average fa/tg/uy that isn't a die-hard fan of those series would have no reason to care about. I am reminded of how we ultimately dealt with the Halo page, but unlike that incident those two in question don't have an extensively written fan Codex they can point to in order to justify all the excess information. Instead, the former has an obscure pen and paper RPG whose system is barely described on the page and the latter has some ancient memes that are now known only to a small handful of people. --Newerfag (talk) 20:54, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, tangents are fine as long as the article is still readable. I don't know how far it's trickled down but on 8chan there's a common phrase for when people bitch about off-topic threads: /tg/ isn't about traditional games, it's about traditional gamers. There's a lot you can get away with as long as it's relevant to the hivemind's interest and you aren't being a faggot about it. As far as I'm concerned the problems start when an article that should be cool is an overheated slog because a troper or a diehard fanboy bloated it with dry and irrelevant trivia, as opposed to the funny and interesting trivia that /tg/ finds entertaining. Moreover, articles are free: it's not like having (say) a plot synopsis of the C&C games takes away from our ability to write about tabletop games elsewhere. OriginalPrankster (talk) 18:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Problem is, the line between a basic synopsis and an overload of irrelevant trivia can grow rather blurry, and sometimes said fanboys tend to view any sort of reduction at all as a direct attack on the article even if the article itself is better for the removal. There's also the factor that our idea of what we think /tg/ finds entertaining and what it actually finds entertaining can be very different; on quite a few occasions I've seen people on /tg/ dismissing the wiki as hopelessly out of touch. I've also noted that a few articles seem to have next to no connection to /tg/ at all, like the Homestuck one. I can only assume those stay on mostly because no one cares enough to question their inclusion. (On that note, its article went far beyond irrelevant and into the level of "WTF": there was a whole section describing how to date a member of its fandom, which is creepy in all kinds of ways.) --Newerfag (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

While I also air on the side of "anything goes", I acknowledge that a lot of irrelevant diversions can really detract from this wiki (like WTF is that Homestuck article doing?). I have always felt that this wiki is much more about traditional gamers than traditional games, regardless of what state the various /tg/s are in. This is why I like list articles like Approved Video Games and Approved Anime: they endavor to keep things short and sweet. I've heard people complain about this wiki being "out of touch" largely because it preserves old opinions that no longer reflect the state of /tg/ (like left-over GW vitriol from the Matt Ward era), which newfags adopt and everyone has to help deprogram. --FlintTD (talk) 04:31, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Mobile issues

I've noticed that when I try to view Recent Changes from my phone, the browser crashes even while the page is in mobile mode. Can Wikifag investigate to figure out what's going on? --Newerfag (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Spamer

Can someone with mod-abilitys look into https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.40.67.76? He's copy-paste-spamming a list of 40k units with large pictures into pages

Also there are yu gi oh spamming of the same type! --SaltyMan (talk) 11:31, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I suspect https://1d4chan.org/wiki/User:Nicol_bolas might have something to do with it, considering he was angry about Card Games, e.g Yugioh. --SaltyMan (talk) 11:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Website is really slow

For some reason the website is really slow for me. It takes quite a while for pages to fully load; this includes the autocomplete for the search bar, the ability to open or close the drop down for the page contents and the buttons to open or close lists of changes made to pages on the Recent Changes page. The actual page contents are not affected. I can see that the page is loading during this time. I have this problem in both Firefox and Chrome, and I don't have similar problems elsewhere. Are there any known issues regarding this? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 08:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

It was slow for me a few days ago but today it's really fast, so I assumed it was just an issue I had. -- Triacom (talk) 19:26, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Cultist Simulator

Should I write an article about this game? Because I want to write an article about this game. That, and it has all the goings of a tabletop classic. Hell, the author even penned two TT RPGs before. So, is this the place for it or not? -VyroVR (talk)

• Sure. --Thannak (talk) 23:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Math extension

Could the site administrator add https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math to the wiki software to use for articles related to probability? I find trying to manually typeset equations to be quite tiresome and not very amicable to editing. --Derp commander (talk) 19:11, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Arguments Between I and Another User

...God, I feel like such a self-important ass putting this here, but I've been begging for literal months for someone else to come to the Mage: The Ascension discussion page and arbitrate between me and another user who started by vandalizing the page and insulting everyone who didn't like a game system he liked but has been the butt of jokes for decades, and settled for instead ripping out and burning up all the humor from the page and filling it up with a mixture of weasel words and better-hidden, more-condescending insults towards people who don't like or get the game he liked. And, well, if begging on the page isn't helping...--SpectralTime (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Nobledark Imperium

When is the "Rescue of Isha" going to be published? Also, the battle during The Scouring when the Nurgleites try to recapture her and she rips them to shreds, would be something I would like to see put into prose.

MidHammer Drafts

Hi there, I have been working on my own spin on MidHammer for the past year or so, would it be ok if i published the pages on this wiki, or would it be better if i moved them off site? I have a lot more pages to write and fill out.--Wammnebu (talk) 22:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

You're better off asking this question on MidHammer's talk page, you're lucky if anyone besides me even notices it in this section. -- Triacom (talk) 05:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Will do, thanks

im starting a new project does anyone seem interested in getting shit done?

Hey! savagereaper here. I'm starting a new initiative to get more homebrew started AND finished on /tg/ does anyone want to help us write/edit/other stuff my new work in progress setting: hr giger's dark world setting? let me know here, in the conversation on Setting:HR Giger's Dark World page or in my user talk page. looking forward to working with some fellow fa/tg/uys again Savagereaper (talk) 05:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

SKUB

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Manticore IRL

Getting as many eyes on this as possible.

The US Army has a Manticore, your numerical superiority is irrelevant. 70.123.234.204 16:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)