Talk:Rogal Dorn

I have a question about the way the mathhammer was carried out. Did it take into account that all of the rolls to wound Dorn that were higher than a 3 should have failed to wound ala auric armor? Wouldn't that mean that he would have been wounded on a 2 only or am I misunderstanding the way that the rule works?

• The Auric Amour doesn't work like that; it simply doesn't allow a wound to be taken by Rogal on less than a 3+ (as in: even if you would wound him on 2+, you still only wound on 3+) and that was indeed taken into account. Hekaloth (talk) 12:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Rogal's youth

We probably should put something in about Rogal's pre emps history, since most of the other primarchs have something about that. Plus Rogal did kind of rule a small solar empire before handing it over to the emps.Dragoon508 (talk) 12:11, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Damn, I don't normally post responses to stuff but that essay that was just posted made all my questioning as to whether I had picked the right legion vanish and brought a manly tear to the corners of my eyes.

That was really well written and insightful, made me rethink a bit on the fists, although they were my favorite legion to begin with.Dragoon508 (talk) 20:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Primarch vs Primarch Update

The PvP table need to be redone for the new rules for Rogal; looking forward to how powerful he is now! I won't mess with it; I'm afraid I'll screw it up. TheWiseDane (talk) 23:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

He got buffed in the newer books? How so? -- Triacom (talk) 00:08, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

It's coming in on the page itself, but I can write it here as well - Of what we see, it's mostly Storm's Teeth that get's a facelift. It looses Unwieldy (about goddamn time) and gains an ability that lets Rogal gain 1+ Attack and lose -1 Initiative for every model in base contact with him. I guess that'll ruffle up the scores. TheWiseDane (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm just guessing right now, but I don't think the +1 Attack'll help him all that much, it might make him roughly even with Perturabo, and maybe he'll have a leg up on Curze and Corax (who can still hit&run) but aside from that I doubt it'll change any other outcomes. At least he's become more useful overall and is now actually good at taking down large groups, since before he'd get swarmed by a cheap mob and all you could do is look at him and shake your head. -- Triacom (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Dorn's Death

I just wanted to make note, that recent fluff establishes that Dorn might not actually be dead. It said somewhere that when reinforcements finally arrived at his position, all they found was a severed fist. They took it, kept it in stasis, and have been scrimshawing it with the names of each Chapter Master ever since. Not sure on the source for this though. (Anon) 09:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

The "Who is Dorn?" part

I'm not too sure about that part. It's an in-depth character analysis done in the first person, which is not our style. Feels like part fanfiction too. Not only that, it's about the length of the rest of the page. I think it should either be removed or moved to its own page. What about you guys? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 10:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I like it. It does a really, really good job of explaining the Imperial Fists' chapter/legion mentality, and it does a much better job of explaining the motivations of the fists around the heresy than any other source I've seen. I don't know how many times I've seen people on /tg/ or at the LGS dismiss the Imperial Fists as being boring emos, and dismiss Dorn as being a stupid, bullheaded primarch. I always want to tell them to stop and consider the events from within the mentality of the legion; that they obviously knew what they were doing when they walked into the Iron Cage, and that doing it made sense given their identity as a legion. The section may be a bit drawn out, but its more insightful than anything on any of the other chapter pages, and if it being too long is the issue, well it is in a dropdown box. Also, you're worried that it isn't done in our style?... This wiki has no unified style, dude. Josman (talk) 13:08, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I second Josman here. It's not markedly different in style from the "Why Everything is so Grimdark" section on the Adeptus Mechanicus page; the first-person isn't significant enough to warrant moving it, or especially getting rid of it altogether. I agree that it's a little long, so a good middle ground is to make it a collapsible, like the primarch on primarch fight table. If you're going to start deleting things that seem like fanfic, the Abaddon, Indrick Boreale, and Creed pages are going to lose about 70% of their girth. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2016 (UTC)