Talk:Towergirls

removed all instances of fanon and placed them in their own page because frankly the page looked ugly as hell. Admittedly my experience editing wiki pages is limited and I should've saved the setting stuff but someone seems to have culled that before I ever got to it, now everyone can collect their fanon on the fanon page and people in search of brevity can browse the main page.--Chainsaw (talk) 02:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Da fuq?

Was that actually necessary? Could have just made it collapsible.

• To be fair, the page was growing increasingly bloated, and it looks a bit better as it does now. I do believe I have a compromise, though; I would suggest making an independent wiki for Towergirls. In my opinion, it has enough content to justify forming its own wiki as well as a community that would remain dedicated enough to keep it sustained (and in the unlikely event it finds itself either falling out of favor on /tg/ or gets banned outright, it could continue to sustain itself on said wiki). However, I lack the expertise to do this myself and would prefer not to make a unilateral decision on behalf of a community I am not a part of myself. Still, it's something worth considering at the least. (Think of it this way- now each princess will be able to get a whole page.)--Newerfag (talk) 15:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

if you want to make a wiki go ahead, but the formatting was awful, the quality of the material there was, if not bad, aggressively mediocre, and ultimately not required for a person who wants to know what towergirls is. I just want a small, simple page laying out the basics, I may even shunt the porn off to the fanon page as it doesn't serve much of a purpose on the main one. Only part of the fanon stuff worth keeping was the art and the setting junk which was decently well written.

• • Understandable, although my suggestion stands; it may end up being far more helpful in the long run, since even the fanon page has the potential to grow increasingly bloated (and thus end up recreating the same problem you initially sought to avoid). Alternately, you could just merge it with the main CYOA page and nothing would be lost from it. Oh, and don't forget to sign your posts when you add something to a talk page. Common courtesy and all that. --Newerfag (talk) 18:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
    • You can't add fanon to something where everything is canon, I simply used "fancanon" to differentiate from Gats canon. As it stands I see no reason not to have one page with each category being collapsible. If the summary/intro is at the top, there's no reason to divide it into two pages. --Thannak (talk) 19:00, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
      • Everyone loves collapsibility! I dare say that the page is now manageable.--71.47.208.127 21:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I will allow collapsibility, I will not allow the textual vomit that is the current main paragraph, I will not allow mentions of gats as the "Lore Keeper" of tower girls as he has flat out stated multiple times that everything is canon and has zero interest in collating lore and acting as a lore master. I will not allow mention of sexism or bioware sense that stinks of the SJW bogeyman and everyone involved with this is sensible enough not to see any sexism in the first place.

the page was edited because it was ugly, your words will be edited because they are pointless.

and fuck's sake, stop including mentions of Dragon Commander, the only redeeming element that game has is in waifus, the RTS segments are horrid. You're directing people at a badly made game. Shame on you.--Chainsaw (talk) 02:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

• ...By the way, you should sign your posts on these discussion pages by adding two dashes and four tildes to the end. --SpectralTime (talk) 02:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

• I'm waiting for an argument that isn't "I don't like thing". --Thannak (talk) 04:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I don't give two shits about this, but could you please work things out politely? The way you're carrying on, I have half a mind to just slap a delete tag on all of this and move what content there is worth keeping onto the CYOA page. --Newerfag (talk) 05:33, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
    • Don't look at me. There's one person causing a ruckus, the guy that blanked a page with the reasoning "its shit" until someone came up with an alternative solution and seem to want to continue to discuss that point here. --Thannak (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Deletion

I really don't see a reason to do this, and would request that not be done. There's only one person trying to do an edit war, and the page has as much reason to exist as any other here. --Thannak (talk) 05:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC) To make my case, I point to the pages for Quests, particularly unfinished ones that the creators abandoned. Both are "generals" which exist on /tg/, and are not simply merged with a CYOA page to get them out of the way. Towergirls has grown more complex than a simple CYOA in addition to being an ongoing thing where the creator is still actually active, and it deserves more detail gone into it. On top of that, a personal argument if I may. I put a lot of work into the page, and while I know the quality is off in places I would point out that on /tg/ the very person who argued "it's shit" and caused the ruckus in the first place even said there's decent parts (I tend to write it half-asleep, or on a phone, and the need for editing is great as a result, although if you look through the history you see I do try). But just because for two days one person complained loudly about how he didn't like it doesn't mean the entire thing needs to be scrapped to placate him. Pardon me for saying it almost seems as Draconian as the hated Nazi Mod. So please don't delete it to end some fuss (especially not when the Matt Ward page has been left and been prone to massive edit wars for years, as the argument that deletion is merited to end problems surely means it should go first). --Thannak (talk) 06:12, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I did it mostly to get your attention, and I can assume it has succeeded. For now, I'm settling for reverting it to the cleaner version that was up earlier. Besides, only AssistantWikifag can actually delete pages (and he rarely does so even with the tag unless it's spam). Just try to keep any further bitching on the talk page. That said, I honestly don't see what makes this genuinely special as far as CYOAs go. Sure, it has waifus, but what self-respecting CYOA doesn't these days? (I also get the feeling that it'll end up being just one more fad that'll run its course and promptly be forgotten, but I can't prove that'll happen just yet.)--Newerfag (talk) 06:19, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

It interested me and I've been trying to get 1d4chan from just Quest Threads and 40k memes, the two things I have never liked on /tg/ during all the years I've been a user there, into being everything else /tg/ that I have some knowledge on. So I created a page because it appeared to be an ongoing thing like the meme pages I made, and got more into it by staying with the Generals. Now I've sunk a lot of time into it. The sudden loss of quite a few hours of sleepless writing that I kind of liked and saw others referencing because of one individual was vocally displeased was shocking and may have set me into panic mode a bit, which I apologize for. I felt a bit indignant when so many pointless pages like Super Texas exist, which I discovered when I decided to go through the sea of pages to sort them into categories (it's mind-numbing and not worth the effort I think, and suddenly throwing the Deletion template all over 1d4chan seemed like something for someone with more seniority). I realize that there are concerns about it not being friendly for newbies as a resource, but to that end I'd still like to say that putting the introduction and guide to making new characters at the top while putting a collection of existing canon in collapsible sections is fine from my perspective. I'd like to continue collecting the lore others write in the Generals and adding small bits of my own, which at worst isn't much different than people storing information from their own campaigns here (which there's sadly much of). I realize there may be a need to possibly create it's own wiki, although that is quite a bit beyond me and seems not unlike suggesting that something like Wakfu or Warhammer Fantasy should have their own wikis and be kept off of 1d4chan due to bloat as well. But the decision isn't mine, I can only say my part and hope my odd sense of humor is endearing enough to some that I can keep tapping out a paragraph expansion on the blurbs. Because otherwise I'm stuck writing pages for Warhammer Fantasy characters, or on obscure gaming systems I can snag cheap on eBay, neither of which is as fun as weighing out what magical artifact is better for increasing vaginal circumference and making innocent sex puns. It may run its course eventually, the threads seem to be slowing down now barring this incident, but if I've learned one thing about being on /co/ for almost a decade now its that everything comes and goes in cycles. --Thannak (talk) 06:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Why are you writing pages on obscure warhammer fantasy characters in the first place? If you care so much about the Fanon why not just make and curate a wiki as you'd have absolute power and not have to worry about people contesting your decisions?--Chainsaw (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

• Why should Trazyn have a page when Khalida doesn't? Are you even arguing a point, or simply on the opposite side of whatever I do? Is there actually anything you approve of being on this site, or are you simply trying to troll others? --Thannak (talk) 06:56, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

It's not special and frankly it doesn't deserve it's own page, certainly not an enormous bloated one, personally I wanted to cordon off Thannak's bloated list (C'mon Bobbit Worm Princess, really? The giant screaming horror from one of the /v/ meme comics needs her own entry?) but whatever. Thannak just wants to keep the page because he put a lot of effort into it, I think that effort is awful and he should feel bad for what he produced but that's a different story altogether. If we're going purely by merit then no, there's nothing special about towergirls and if you actually feel like it talk to whichever digital head honcho is in charge and fold them together. Otherwise me and thannak and whoever will argue over what the page should look like.--Chainsaw (talk) 06:26, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

• Check the history. I put Bobbit Worm up as a joke before Generation 3 was even finished, before any of the others were fleshed out. It's not a very good point. --Thannak (talk) 07:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Moved over everything that's worth keeping to the main CYOA page. Sorry, Thannak- effort alone doesn't matter that much, and at the end of the day it's still just one more CYOA out of many.--Newerfag (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

• That's kind of heartbreaking, I admit. I want to push it further, but won't. I've said my piece, and hopefully if there's someone else who agrees with me they can speak on my behalf so it's not just me planting their feet and being a That Guy about the whole thing. --Thannak (talk) 06:56, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
  • If it makes you feel any better, I brought over the gallery you made onto that page. Plus, what you did write would be perfect for making a Towergirls wiki. Seriously, there's no reason why you shouldn't try it, and nothing will stop you from continuing to use 1d4chan for the other stuff you mentioned. I suggest Wikia for it- they've made it particularly easy to start up new wikis. There should be step-by-step guides available for that kind of thing online, but if you can't find one, drop a message on my talk page and I'll provide a couple of links I found on the subject. --Newerfag (talk) 07:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
    • I appreciate it, but I think I'm kind of done with wikis. I'll finish the pages I started, Tenchi RPG, Castlevania story; cleanup on Wakfu and update to Krosmaster, but this experience has been a bit too much. --Thannak (talk) 07:21, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
      • Congrats, Chainsaw-man. You, a newb with no real contributions to his name, who can barely type English, whom I had to teach how to sign his bloody posts, have successfully driven away a passionate, productive contributor who has done a lot for the site in a short time out of petty spite. I hope, as you lie awake at night, masturbating over this victory in true chainsaw-fashion (sticking your appropriately-whining blade into a chunk of hardwood) you are positively turgid. --SpectralTime (talk) 14:15, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

So we're deleting a page just because it can be merged with another page? Well then why not move all individual 40K tactica's into the main 40K tactica since they're so related? Why not delete all the separate Warhammer 40K/Fantasy armies since their summaries can also be found on their man pages? It would be one thing to delete a page if the main section already covered it or others like it, but the CYOA page does not. That page explains what something is then provides links to the various CYOA's in question, if we're changing that for this CYOA then why not change it for all of them, or add the ones from booru? This is a fucking wiki and a wiki that doesn't go into detail on something when it had the option to is a shitty wiki. Sorry Newerfag but posting a few pictures does not explain what something is/what it's about nor how it's relevant to /tg/ since a CYOA does not need to be a tabletop game nor related to a tabletop game and as for you chainsaw, being so completely against other peoples efforts is just fucking stupid. For example I'm not against the /tg/ heresy, I think the artwork is amateurish in what it's trying to copy, most of the stories laughable, the characters shallow and the entirety of it is unnecessary, so I stay away from it because it really does not interest me, with that in mind what right do you have to demand something be changed or deleted because you don't like it? You specifically say "I will not allow" and almost directly say "it's bad and they should feel bad for making it" but that comes off as you being a child and getting mad because you didn't get your way. -- Triacom (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

• Fair enough. It seems like I overreacted in this situation, and I had failed to account for the other pages also going into further detail about CYOAs that already existed. My apologies to Thannak.--Newerfag (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

On Kingdom Conquest

Some issues I noticed in the last thing, but hopefully this'll stop now that the dude is apparently stripping all towergirls content from the game.

1) Gats never claimed it was public domain, he just said people were free to make -free- stuff as they liked, and to get permission from him if they wanted to make money off of it, and not use his actual art. Towerfag claimed, outright, that Gats didn't own towergirls at all, which is bullshit, at least for the first 60 princesses. Given that some companies have tried in the past to jack the IP and then shut down everyone else making stuff, and the only thing that protected stuff like Subtitle Pending and Kingdom Conquest and all the other stuff being made was Gats holding the IP and shutting those folks down hard, he's got a very firm stance that it is -not- public domain.

2) The fetishes weren't the problem, the fact Towerfag was undermining Gats ownership of the property and acting in bad faith was the problem.

3) The jackass has removed all references to Towergirls from his patreon, all art, and there's no uploads it looks like. If he's still making it as a towergirls game, then at the very least provide folks with a download of the latest post-take down build with the towergirls content still intact. Otherwise the game is gone and just accept that Towerfag had the good sense to not fight a battle he couldn't win.

4) Not liking the reasons for something being shut down isn't a valid reason to bloat an already bloated page with newly irrelevant stuff. Put an epitaph for the project if you gotta. --Shadowclasper (talk) 12:49, 02 November 2017 (CST)

• Still, he really fucked up with the fetishes, it wasnt an issue worthy of shutting down but i talked to quite a few people and there is a serious "yuck" factor. Pity, his fast combat mechanics is more fun than actual towergirl game. --SaltyMan (talk) 20:00, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Yeah the issue worthy of shutting it down was him trying to steal the copyright.--Shadowclasper (talk) 1:32, 03 November 2017 (CST)
• 1) He claimed it on /tg/. Or perhapsanother anon posing as him did, I don’t know. I suppose that bit does indeed need removal. 2) Not according to Towerfag. 3) He’s reupping it according to his last Patreon post, and the mirror for the last uodate still works. 4) Entirely axing the section is not an appropriate reaction. Just because the game is undergoing litigation does not retroactively make it so it has never existed. --Thannak (talk) 20:36, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I never axed, and I totally agree. At least there should be an infamy. --SaltyMan (talk) 20:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Towerfag is a lying liar who lies, and if he's really reupping it as a towergirls game in the middle of litigation over the same then he's also an idiot. He already tried to bypass the DMCA once by lying to Patreon about it, if he does it again they'll probably just wash their hands of him entirely. The only reason the jackass is trying to blame it all on the fetishes is that makes him look marginally better to his patrons than "yeah, I outright tried to steal this from the IP owner by claiming they didn't actually own it and got caught doing it." and it paints Gats, who everyone who has ever interacted with the guy knows is a complete bro, as some prudish jackass trying to stop people from getting their rocks off. Dude even compared it to breeding season, which is just insane. --Shadowclasper (talk) 1:32, 03 November 2017 (CST)
  • Fair enough. I'm still kinda satisfied about the split: Gats made the setting a seriously grimderp slaver knight who took quests from the cute human girl in the tavern, to forcibly drag mermaids to be impregnated by a goblin and shoved back to slave dungeons all their lives. What the actual FUCK, Gats. --SaltyMan (talk) 08:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
    • I don’t know the details on how they were behaving, I never found out where that info was coming from, but I do know the lawsuit was dismissed and Conquest remains a Towergirls game. I believe he still intends to make miniatures as well. --Thannak (talk) 16:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
      • Changed his game over to a new property. Litigation still ongoing however. Only responding to this now because someone decided to fill the page with misinformation and I needed to go in and correct it without starting a flame war.--Shadowclasper 18:23, 01 February 2019 (CST)

Warhammer Girls chart

Just to let y'all know someone's gone and made a full effort Towergirls style WH40k chart including Imperium, Xenos and Chaos. Extra images (example Vostroyan girl[1] and Lady Malal without mask[2]) inside comments section. --60.48.0.118 18:33, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

https://funnyjunk.com/Warhammer+gals+cyoa+chart/NDrvLAQ/

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Very odd, the link works just fine for me both logged in and logged out. It's not even hidden in FJ's NSFW section. I've gone and put it in an imgur album, here: https://imgur.com/a/6cqBY I'd love to help out but I have no idea how to insert the picture and at this point given the TG page has so many collapsibles I'd rather not accidentally the page.

Hangon, imgur decided to resize the chart and other image sharing sites are also being difficult. Looking for a way to share the max res image... Here you all go, lemme know if the image isn't hi-res or the link doesn't work. https://mega.nz/#!9YBDERCL!_sOSEDgD9WHW9HHzyJ0Lt8mRLacAaDyDJgKK4uOBQG4