Setting talk:Halo

So, um...Spartans were so shit-scared of squeaky Ewoks and space lizards with exploding guns that they blew up their own ships rather than let them know where Earth is, and are even more scared of bouncing boogers which could be held off forever if you had a reliable general-purpose MG and a healthy supply of ammo and barrels. This versus an empire that controls a ridiculous swathe of its local galaxy and could drop enough troops on you that if you killed them all you'd drown in their blood anyway. And if you weren't sufficiently fucked they'd just blow up your planet because they have too many of those anyway.

Let's also note how utterly stupid the idea that the enemy will charge in when they're dealing with low-intensity conflict with small units of partisans (nevermind that while partisans can make the enemy's life difficult, they don't win wars). When "against a Space Marine charge, Spartans will plant a Nuke and GTFO, without a second thought," how are they supposed see that the Spartans are there in order to charge them, but not be able to see what they're doing? And how the fuck are you supposed to win a war when you're expending a nuclear weapon every time you want to defeat an individual squad, when you're the one with inferior resources? At best, even if the wanky Spartans are accepted, you'd end up like Nazi Germany's tanks, powerful in their own right but requiring impossibly high attrition rates to actually have a significant impact on the enemy.

They're fucked, end of. The only way around is to imagine all the Marine commanders are from the retard end of 40k fluff and all the Spartans are from the "I AM PLAYING WITH MY DICK" end of Halo fluff.

TL:DR; the whole "perspective" section is nonsense and needs to die. Tim 15:04, 16 May 2012 (BST)

Oh, and it was by the same idiot who wrote that thing about Star Trek's "Contributions To The World." Gone. Tim 15:58, 16 May 2012 (BST)

I get the distinct impresion we are making an apples to oranges comparison. Based on what I've read of the two source materials the Spartan II's are the equivalent to officio assassinorum agents, as each spartan is described as having some super special ability, like being a good shot or being good in CQC, or in the case of the green wanker himself being super lucky. If the Halo nuts would realize there's about 38,000 years worth of R&D we could all get back to getting shit done.Voidsman 05:46, 5 July 2012 (BST)

though i agree with the statement marines are better (in the Mariens vs spartain argument) i feel a break down of equipment not just the guys in the armor would really add to the page.

== new debate ==

Instead of adding more spartan vs space marine debate, I'm going to do the guardsman vs UNSC marine debate, so feel free to add some pros and cons. Thanks. --TheSpoilerHeretic 06:15, 6 January 2013 (UTC)TheSpoilerHeretic Not worth to edit anymore. UNSC marine sucks balls than guardsman and even chaos spa-AHAHAEGHAERHNRASJTDGJ JRTJRTJRTTRJT --TheSpoilerHeretic 09:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)TheSpoilerHeretic

Give it a Rest

Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ on a pogo stick, can we calm down with the fanwank war? This page doesn't really even belong here, and it's really annoying to see the recent changes page filled up with 40K and Halo fans in an edit war over which setting is more overpowered. They're both ridiculous, over-the-top, and obviously meant as settings for various male power fantasies. Who the fuck cares whether an Astartes can beat a Spartan II? Halo is Halo and 40k is 40k, and never the twain shall meet outside of shitty fan fiction, quest threads, and poorly-done RPG campaigns. Give it a fucking rest. By the way, all this from a typical 40k fanboy neckbeard. It's not that I dislike either setting, I'm just tired of the damn edit wars. --70.192.66.190 17:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• • Also stop bitching about Halo's weapons, the Covenant stuff be slow as shit is because its a video game, they're like that by the games program, we don't talk how a Space Marine has a 1/3 change of MISSING point blank ranges.--D715 (talk) 19:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
• Although I may be late to the scene, but thank oh mighty to D715 for calming this shitstorm on Halo's firepower (I have looked through the history), seriously though whenever I see ONE MORE TIME about someone making fun of the Covenant firepower, that are all based on either gameplay or shitty source material, I am going to rip their esophagus right out their anus. At least use actual calcs that are considered as "accepted" in the Halo community. I am going to do one last edit to the Covenant firepower to make it more loyal to the source material. Although I do find it hilarious on how that section was making fun of Halo fanboyism without noticing that the people who wrote that section sound more like fanboys themselves, hypocrisy at its finest. I can accept you guys for poking fun at the vehicle designs in Halo, but when it comes to firepower, let the people who have GOOD knowledge in the Haloverse do their stuff FIRST. Furthermore one more thing to add, poking fun of a game or genre just for laughs can be accepted, but there is a limit on how much you can make fun off before you derail the page into a website that resemble more akin to Encyclopedia Dramatica no scratch that, more akin to an orgie of fanboyism, butthurt and wank. -->Derpysaurus

Is it time to just delete the Halo pages?

Halo is already getting more edits than D&D, the traditional second favorite thing of 1d4chan and there are already complaints about a /v/ related topic hogging up edits with silly edit wars and Spacebattlers (don't lie I know a lot of you newbies are from there) dragging in their problems over here. This is making me consider the solution of essentially nuking the pages and stripping everything not related to /tg/ down to it's bare bones of what actually is relevant to /tg/ (the fandex can stay, this page won't) and essentially taking away the ball entirely. Also, anyone who wants to talk about calcs can kindly go die in a corner, I had an epiphany realizing that neither side cares about physics and that analyzing them via the scientific method is utterly pointless. Ergo, the debate is pointless.Crazy Cryptek (talk) 08:18, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

• Nobody has been creating anything new from Halo nowadays, the only edits now are fixing spelling mistakes and grammar. Heck the last time I remember a major edit was the Glassing of Djangoris writefaggotry a few months ago, so just take those minor edits a pinch of salt Cryptek. And don't worry about the calcs Crazy Cryptek, I have mostly fixed them so that now everybody could kind of agree off without bitching at one another, and I have already told most of the people here in this talk page that ANYBODY who decides to continue on whining or bitching about calcs would get their esophagus ripped out their anus, so please kindly don't repeat my threats again or it will make it redundant. Light edits such as fixing spelling and grammar mistakes is welcome, but re-introducing edit wars on "Which calcs is better!" or "Halo Sucks/Rules!" should be *BLAM*. With kind regards Derpysaurus
  • I was thinking that outside of where it'd actually be relevant, which would purely be in the fandex (which still needs to be toned down fluffwise), any and all comparisons to 40k or any other scifi franchise should be deleted. The Samus and Homestuck pages seem to be the ideal for non-primarily /tg/ related pages, with minimal debate and generally focusing on how they relate to /tg/ rather than going off onto flamebaiting tangents.Crazy Cryptek (talk) 11:39, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
    • Um, agreed, the main problem with pre-Derpysaurus edit Halo page and others similar to these like Starcraft, is that they attract targets who loath said franchise and start to make it a punching bag on why "X universe is superior in many ways". The main reason why edit wars happen is because some people either find it offensive that their favourite franchise has been mocked or they are just unfunny. In the case of Halo, before I had a massive edit overhaul, it was literally a bathing grounds for Halo haters, and the edits I have seen was poor, immature, unfunny and almost made me felt ashamed that these idiots used the face of WH40K to cover their "Why X Universe is superior" without realizing that actual fans of WH40K would not take these kinds of immature shit, even if it was in support of WH40K. It also let strangers think of a false image if they have read those pages, that the fans of WH40K are nothing more then a group of butthurt fanboys that is definitely NOT true. These edits also strengthen the stereotype that all WH40K fanboys are cocky, arrogant and rude and think that "Our Universe is the most Overpowered thing EVAR!" which is again NOT true and royally pisses me off. And let me tell you something Crazy Cryptek, I have checked through the edit histories on WH40K weapons, and the result was absolutely atrocious, some of which are so wanked (Hint. It involves Las-Weapons) that it look like it came from the wet-dreams of Matt Ward, not even the most fanatical of Haloites or Warsies wank this hard without no definite source to back their claims.Derpysaurus
    • Generally speaking, most people's perceptions of Halo are colored by the...less than intelligent folk who dominate Xbox live (although many of the worst have jumped ship from Halo's increasingly less popular chassis over to Call of Duty, although to be fair, Scifi shooters as a whole are less popular while Modern shooters are the newest must have item), while the average internet goer's perception of a Warsie is colored by the folk on Star Destroyer.net who have made arguments to the effect of Darth Vader being able to defeat the fucking Flash. Yes, the one who moves at several trillion times the speed of light, flat out phase through things he doesn't want to touch, turn anything he doesn't like into a momentumless statue, impact with the mass of a white dwarf star, go backwards in time or hop entire universes, and could single handedly destroy Culture level civilizations if allowed to go all out. That Flash. This has lead to 40k fans having a perception of people outside of /tg/'s select list of "approved franchises" as being stupid. Halo is on /tg/'s shitlist because /v/ frequently crosses over and brings with it it's stupid shit that annoys the holy fuck out of everyone until /tg/ has almost universally come to see your average Haloite as stupid, obnoxious, foul mouthed, and under the age of sixteen while your average Warsie is seen as a loud mouthed whiner clinging to an increasingly irrelevant franchise. Also, if I had to guess, you're id319 on spacebattles.com, your writing style seems familiar to me.Crazy Cryptek (talk) 13:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Please, don't compare me to 1d139, I am nothing like him, I don't even have an account on Spacebattles.com, I came from WH40K wikia and Halo wikia as Darth Grunt. Anyway both Halo, Star Wars and WH40K have their fair share of idiots and morons, but none of them compares to the likes of Mass Effectors. I swear I have seen on various threads about how Shepperd and friends could solo both the Forerunners and Necrons with a flick of their Biotics, yes you heard me, those two races who are powerful enough that the former is playing poker with the Culture and the latter, which can deal with the entirety of Star Wars could lose to the System Alliance...What, This, I Don't Even *Head Explodes*.---->Derpysaurus
    • Mass effect is just the new hot triple A Scifi franchise. Watch closely when Destiny comes out, you'll see the same cycle repeat itself. I've been around long enough to know how these things work. Also, how did you know enough to understand his reputation and the correct spelling of it? This is triggering my suspicion meter. In any case, it seems Mass Effect is destined for what all triple A scifi franchises desire, a big damn 200 million dollar blockbuster movie. So all you can do is just wait for the hype to die down. But seriously, brace yourself for the Destiny flamewars, because the vitriol between 343's Halo and Bungie's Destiny is going to be very, very nasty given the community. Crazy Cryptek (talk) 13:36, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • No, I have seen enough Spacebattles to know that I am not 1d139, you can go ask him. But anyway when the Armageddon comes of Destiny vs Halo, brothers! brace for the oncoming shitstorm! this is going to be another Horus Heresy again! Oh yeah, a Halo TV series directed by Steven Spielberg is in the works, god help us. And a quick question, do you know Factpile.com? because I have not seen this much stupid since the Lounge era, seriously there was one thread that concluded with the Star Wars AT-AT winning against the Covenant Scarab, and you know how the AT-AT won? by the simple fact that the fans were using a very obscure source that buffed the AT-AT into Titan-level shenanigans while at the same time de-powering the Halo Scarab. And we all know that a Troop Transport having Megaton level firepower is, shall we say, retarded? Since it downright contradicted the fucking movies which is higher cannon. The sad thing is people believed it was the legit source without realising that the AT-AT has more flaws then the Halo Scorpion or GoW Centaur. Derpysaurus
    • Ever heard of strike legion? With pistols that create explosions that can be seen from orbit as standard small arms? Grenades that destroy entire planets? Anti-matter warheads with stun settings? Power armor that makes the Didact's, Samus Aran's, and Iron man's look like outdated pieces of scrap and are mass produced? Psykers who literally rewrite the fabric of reality with their minds? And organisms that are obvious Flood, Metroid, and Tyranid expies being kept as little more than attack dogs? Full powered Culture Expies who turn to the Good Guys for help because they're afraid for their continued existence. Capital ships are lost in their millions every day and are built back with interest in the same day, Warships can ram planets at near lightspeed and win, Ghetto space vans have more firepower than most Scifi fleets. Oh and get this, the bad guys are a human dominated Imperium that relies on weight of numbers with primarily gothic architechture and are lead by an Immortal God Empress of Mankind who is an immensely powerful Psyker...I mean Master. But Strike legion's policy is to rip off everything until it twists around to being original just by virtue of having so many ideas running around. It's so over the top goofy it becomes awesome and it is incredibly self aware of it's silliness.Crazy Cryptek (talk) 14:00, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes I have heard of Strike Legion...multiple times and I do note their abilities, but if you will, what is the point of Starships if their Uzis could outgun all of WH40K combined? Hmmm...this is like the Downstreamers dilemma all over again, however Marvel is still considered as the most powerful Sci-Fi Omniverse while Doctor Who is still considered as the most powerful Sci-Fi Multiverse without the use of Omnipotents. Is there anyone here in Sci-Fi that could match Marvel and DC? Derpysaurus
    • Almost all of the settings that can compete with comic books are role playing games. Said RPGs are Nobilis or something, Exalted, WANKED D&D (and only through severe rule abuse), and Strike Legion. And Strike legion peters out at high end cosmics and only severe exalted wank lets them play with abstracts and above. The Nobles I also believe cap out below the Living Tribunal. You see, they've had over seventy years of serial story telling with countless different authors and characters who are spread across multiple books, leading to a build up of one upsmanship until you get "Stronger than the gravity of a neutron star, can lift planet sized snakes, moves far faster than light, can teleport and time travel and blow back dimensional tears with his diaphragms, tank blasts that wipe out 20% of the universe to the face, and summon the winds of a thousand worlds" Thor for example.Crazy Cryptek (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately with such powerful universes there are going to be alot of Mary Sues, I wonder how many Mary Sues are there in Marvel? Try listing them all with ample discriptions while I get the popcorn. Derpysaurus
    • Pretty much all characters can come off as some kind of sue depending on who's writing, Doctor Doom for example, frequently gets any setback of his retconned with "NOPE DOOMBOT, YOU SEE THE REAL DOOM WAS OFF DOING SOMETHING ELSE." Oh and he outwitted and stole the powers of a capital O Omnipotent. I mean the kind who can destroys everal billion universes by just letting his thoughts wander. But perhaps the worst offenders are Franklin Richards, the child of the Super smarterest scientist ever with super stretchy powers with his super smarterest scientist ever wife with forcefield and light bending powers whom when combined make for a blond haired blue eyed tyke with more power than the kings of the gods (all religions are correct in marvel, although on the cosmic scale, the gods aren't *that* high up on the pecking order, capping out at galactic destruction. The Abrahamic god is no stronger than any of the other skyfathers, while his angels are effectively treated as other gods) by a great margin. However, he tends to have power blocks, extraneous circumstances that prevent him from using his abilities to his fullest, and is actually written as a kid with no idea how to use his "watch me make a big bang" powers properly. Then there's Thanos who can't ever do wrong and is the super smarterest being ever and also outwitted and stole the powers of a capital O omnipotent and regularly outsmarts all the other super smartesrest people. Oh and he's in love with death and is cursed by the personification of death to be literally immortal and be able to kill anything, even if it can't normally die. So he could totally kill the Precursors with his eyebeams, the Cancerverse killed their universe's death and were otherwise invincible lovecraftian horrors, Thanos could kill them with ease. But by far the worst, is the Sentry. Want me to go into detail?. Crazy Cryptek (talk) 14:59, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes sir...*Continues to eat popcorn*. Derpysaurus
    • The Sentry was gratuitously shoe horned into everyone's back story and the writers were so absolutely smug about it. He has like, all the powers. He can control molecules better than Molecule man, his EEEEVVVVUULLL twin can break every bone in the hulk's body with one punch, he's so smart he talks to Reed Richards as an equal, he's superduper fast and can be everywhere and he can stalemate Galactus who sits like three whole tiers above galaxy busters like Odin and he's every superhero's superhero and he took Rogue's virginity (you know, the Rogue who does bad things to people she touches due to the nature of her powers) and his Penis is so well formed and big that it's the subject of envy at his funeral and everyone had only nice things to say about him when Thor killed him (oh and he only died because he let Thor kill him and came back because he was tired of being dead!) and he's the handsome aryan superman that all the men want to be and all the women want to have in them and Doctor Doom is Afraid of him and he's the Hulk's bestset best friend and he can heal any wound and is as powerful as he thinks he is and oh my god I think I just puked. Crazy Cryptek (talk) 14:59, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Now imagine if Stan Lee let the Wardinator himself meddle with Sentry...*Evil Grin*. Derpysaurus
    • The most insulting part is that they just shoehorned him into everyone's backstories, which at this point were like forty fucking years old. He came to be in like 2000, whereas most of the big name Marvel characters were around since the sixties. This isn't like the C'tan where they were inserted into a big fucking gap in everything and were inserted to fill in the blanks. This is literally pulling a character out of your ass and putting it into an already ridiculously detailed universe where damn near every day of the major characters' lives have been gone over in minute detail.Crazy Cryptek (talk) 15:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank God Star Wars does not have an-oh wait a certain "Travesty" happened -_-', I think Halo and Star Wars kind of went downhill after the creators decided it was a good idea to sell their universe to Karen Traviss, and I can never forgive her for turning a once badass Mandalorians into freaking psuedo-Ultramraines...RRRRRAAAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEE!!!! Derpysaurus
    • Did you see the Clone wars cartoon? Not the badass drawn one, I mean the CGI one. They made the Mandalorians into pacifists. :/Crazy Cryptek (talk) 16:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • What! They did not just dare! That is like making the Dark Templars into Cinderella-esk pussies! *Checks link*....FUCK THIS SSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTT!!!!! D:< Derpysaurus
    • • They went out of their way to joss the Expanded Universe's take on them, saying that all those violent mandalorian warriors were just unsupported terrorists (and far fewer in number than was previously suggested) and that the *real* Mandalorians were peace loving democracy lovers. You know, because fuck the EU. And they also jossed General Grievous' origins, instead of a powerful story of one who's been wronged by the republic, lost his most beloved because the republics were dicks who supported slavers because the Huk had more economic interests in the republic than the backwater Kaleesh, he's now just some douche who wanted to be a Jedi and cyborged up so he could play pretend. Also in terms of jossing, Bears actually originally intended the Forerunners to be beautiful by human standards, essentially looking like Elves in space, but 343 decided that the Forerunners had to look more alien (even though the Librarian was stated to be so beautiful even humans think she was the epitome of the female form) and that's why the Librarian looks like your grandma instead of the goddess depicted in the first two books. Overall, I found Halo 4 and Silentium to be rather disappointing compared to Cryptum and Primordium, Silentium because it had to make a lot of author's saving throws to keep in touch with Halo 4.Crazy Cryptek (talk) 08:47, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Whelp! there goes nearly two decades of fluff. And people here think that Matt Ward was the ultimate fluff rapists, even the most Heretical of the Wardiens touch, pales in comparison of what they did to the Mandalorians, which is absolutely unacceptable. And about the Halo stuff,the Librarian part was odd, I admit. Derpysaurus
    • But now Star Wars is out of Lucas' hands so all bets are off. As for the Librarian, yeah there were points where I could just picture Bears just going into dirty old man mode over TEH HAWTNESS of the Librarian.Crazy Cryptek (talk) 22:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Only for Bear to go "Son, I am disappoint" when he saw what the final illitarations of the Librarian would look like in Halo 4. Derpysaurus
    • Well, the Librarian he envisioned was probably more along the lines of a goddess of beauty and knowledge, while the 343 librarian is more along the lines of a wise grandmother. No seriously, turn that metal thing on her head into hair, give her a nose and a caucasian skin tone and she'd look almost exactly like my grandma. You can almost imagine her telling Chief "By the way, would you like some cookies?"Crazy Cryptek (talk) 20:19, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Oh God! Now you gave me the mental image of it! Purge it! Someone purge the images!. Derpysaurus

Hey, it's me Remoon101, I'm just dropping in to say I am in favor of removing the mini-Halo wiki and leaving the codex I've been working on in place. That's all. Remoon101 (talk) 16:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

• • Hey Remoon101, haven't seen you in a while, hey have you been updating the Covenant Codex yet? Derpysaurus

Ah, no, I haven't really gotten a chance as I was more concerned with updating and finishing up the Knights Inductor Codex. And of course when I was doing that I stumbled into the debate about Knights Inductor existing at all! Needless to say I'm concentrating on trying to keep my work alive there before going back to the Covenant codex and wrapping that up. Remoon101 (talk) 16:27, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

• • Eh, cool, because I was a bit worried that you have left the Crunch on a standstill. Derpysaurus

Derpy, this is what I warned you about all those months ago. 1d4chan just isn't the place for Halo. Keep the fandex, but everything else must go. It's for the best. I've already taken the measure of completely purging the page and removing all links to it- the only thing left is for the article to be salted so recreating it is impossible. --Newerfag (talk) 02:02, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• • Eh, I don't mind really, other then the Codex and the fluff, you can delete the rest. Derpysaurus

• I would just slap a few Edit War tags on the Skubtastic sections and leave it at that. No need to delete everything (especially since it relates to the Covenant Codex and the glassing of Djanoris). I liked the Karen Travis section "Behold the abomination that is Karen Ward" hahahaha. ilniaj

The codex has its own page. This one is a burden- let it go.--Newerfag (talk) 02:35, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Who made you god-emperor of the wiki to decide that? --Zecro (talk) 08:25, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Who made you the one to decide that this WAS /tg/ related?--Newerfag (talk) 08:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Deleting stuff is inherently destructive, and contributes absolutely nothing positive. You're the one who began the movement of deleting a bunch of stuff: can you justify how what you're doing is constructive? --Zecro (talk) 08:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Halo is not a part of /tg/. It never has been. All this stemmed from an attempt at making a fandex that spun WAY out of control. Keep the page if you must, but there is no reason why it has to be as big as it is now. Just remove all but the most essential information about the series and it will be fine, but right now it's so bogged down with irrelevant shit that it should be rewritten from scratch.--Newerfag (talk) 08:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Then maybe you could do that instead of blanking the page? --Zecro (talk) 08:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

There's so fucking much of it I don't even know when to start. Ideally, it would just cover the games and nothing else.--Newerfag (talk) 08:37, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

• Guys, why can't we delete 90% of this page, reconstruct it from the base up and fill it with minor fluff like the Star Wars/Starcraft page? Derpysaurus

That would be a good way to improve the quality of the page, yes. Who's going to do it? --Zecro (talk) 08:39, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I started it. If one of you wants to take over, be my guest.--Newerfag (talk) 08:42, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

• I give you the thumbs up and respect Newerfag! Derpysaurus
  • Thank you. I tried to remove all but the most important parts of the page- the fact that the "TL;DR" section of the Space Marine vs. Spartan comparison had to be split into two was a huge warning sign IMO that things were out of control.--Newerfag (talk) 08:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
• I readded some of the deleted parts and eliminated the snide and inaccurate sarcasm. ilniaj
  • Do we really need to bring back the massive clusterfuck ilniaj? What Newerfag did was already acceptable and cleaned out already...really?Derpysaurus
  • Derpy is right- everyone but you was perfectly fine with what was there. Don't touch it again.--Newerfag (talk) 13:14, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Is this better now? Can we stop being butthurt?

There, left a link to the halo wiki so no one can argue we're leaving out info.

Spartan Games New Game System

So read through this and a lot of talk about it not being relevant and such. Spartan games have announced their new Halo Space Battles game. Does this mean we need a new page for it or to edit this to include this news.

Just Talking Here

I do kinda miss the old "Space Marines vs. SPARTANS" part of the page. It was a fun read, even if I'll completely agree that this page was a mess and needed purging. --SpectralTime (talk) 00:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)