Talk:Bugbear

Why Monstergirls?

"Much like the hobgoblin, the idea of a bugbear monstergirl has never really been explored on /tg/."

Then why is there a section of it that is devoted to the idea? That area might as well say "Nothing here." Or better yet, be removed entirely. Before the image gets brought up, having a single image doesn't mean we need to have a section on the main page about it, otherwise the other pages on this wiki would be flooded with irrelevant bullshit just because there was a single image that relates to it. -- Triacom (talk) 07:53, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Because it's an "it exists but just isn't prominent enough on /tg/ if at all" thing, and trying to make D&D monsters and the like fuckable is kinda the /tg/ way as it were. The section could at the least use a thorough fleshing out, maybe it's time for me to do some digging. --LGX-000 (talk) 08:46, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

So why doesn't it get a one-sentence mention in another part of the article, or better yet, why not just mention it on the relevant page, that one being the monstergirl page? Why does it have its own section? Not everything needs to have its own entry on every single page, that's why you don't have a part on this page explaining what goblins are, what hobgoblins are, what orcs are, and what good-alignment is. Those things might be mentioned here but explaining what it is here is useless because they already have their own pages that do that for them. That's even ignoring how this is a /tg/ wiki, if we were to allow pages about stuff that aren't prominent on /tg/ at all then we'd have no use for the delete tag. -- Triacom (talk) 08:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

I see your point, though it also made me realize I phrased that portion of my statement poorly. If it helps, when I said "prominent on /tg/" I really meant "prominent in tabletop 'culture'" and other similar circles, and naturally I have to agree that it has to have a significant presence to boot (much like-the majority of the non-/tg/ stuff we have). --LGX-000 (talk) 09:14, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Is it really prevalent at all though? And I mean that anywhere, because I've never seen that mentioned. You'd likely have to start your own post on /d/ to get that sort of thing started or dig up a buried thread with only 5 views to find something supporting it, which is why I don't see the justification for it to have its own section. The only thing I can see supporting it is the one picture, but we don't have a section on the Black Templars page for "Sing-along Songs" just because there's one image of it. -- Triacom (talk) 09:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

If I may, as the guy who added that segment, just say a few words? I mainly added that segment due to the comparative narrative - that is, goblins have a very prominent monstergirls fanbase (as evidenced by the sizable chunk on their page dedicated to that phenomena), and since bugbears are, like hobgoblins, major offshoots of the goblin race, I figured it bore mentioning if and how that fanbase crossed over to the subrace. And bugbears as monstergirls can exist - the webcomic MHFAP! does feature them as a canonical monstergirl race, for example - but I personally don't see them on /tg/ often, so it's safe to say they're unusual. That said, there is literally a permanent Monstergirls Worldbuilding General on /tg/ this day, and taking obscure monsters from D&D or wherever and making them into monstergirls is literally what they do, so if somebody brings up bugbears, or svirfneblin, or aranea, or rabbitfolk or mephits or whatever on there and asks, there will be /tg/ material of that race as a monstergirl soon enough.--QuietBrowser (talk) 10:35, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Why not mention it on the Goblin page about their offshoots where it's more relevant, or why not mention it on the monstergirls page where it's more relevant? If there isn't /tg/ material of it yet, why force it? We've deleted pages in the past for trying to force their relevance like that, and I fail to see why it's better to fragment this sort of thing across the wiki instead of having a link to a page like the monstergirls one where that stuff is combined and catalogued. -- Triacom (talk) 19:39, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

That's not unfair, I suppose we could mostly just mix that section elsewhere into the article or other pages until such time as it has enough flesh to stand on its own. I'll probably take care of that shortly. --LGX-000 (talk) 19:42, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Who removed Bugbear art from earlier editions?

You know, that incredibly busty art from 4E.