but... all drow I make are chaotic evil, and are out to murder the world!
Come to think of it, most of my characters are like that.
The only drow I played was a True Neutral Bard/SublimeChord/Archmage. Fun fact : first item she found was a pair of rusted scimitars. Why Chaotic Good Rebel? At least I had some background and a reason for being born on the surface (Diviner : "Your child will be blind." Parents : "Don't want her killed at birth, let's flee"). She was wary and cautious, but trustworthy. (Wasted my first feat to buy Blindsense by echolocation. A Bardess that can sing in ultrasounds OH YEAH.)
This page needs pics and PROMOTIONS!
Sorry about being a salty man about Drowtales. But seriously, its like a logic diarrhea with tiddies and sex. --220.127.116.11 19:38, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
At first you think that it is like an examination of the conflicts that arise from putting a bunch of mary sues in a cavern that is too small for them, but then you realize that it is about a bunch of mary sues.
I added extra troll-logic fails from the plot to the Drowtales faggotry. Main Char with her lesbian lover speaks of freedom and ending slavery, then goes to surface colony which is built after genociding humans around, selling the rest to slavery and happily engaging in lesbian sex, only to take up vengeful humans throwing molotovs to free their kin. Main Char and her lesbian empath princess murder the humans and keep on happily adventuring. Main Char had regretted slavery and had shown hopes of changing right before enjoying a colony built on human deaths and talking casually why the humans had hit back. The sheer edginess of its drawing idiots are mind burning indeed.
Seriously, I'd appreciate some comments from those that read it like me. How come such a blatantly immature series gain so popularity? It' not even grimdark, its grimderp.--18.104.22.168 20:58, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Drow Female Art
We've got the Promotions! tag on the article, but despite the long history of sexualized female drow art, we've got nothing apart from that one pic of Xen'drik drow from Dragon Magazine. We need to remedy this and start adding more she-drow canonical cheesecake to this page! So... uh... does anyone actually have any? Because I don't.--QuietBrowser (talk) 16:14, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- Don't worry, I added a couple. --GloriousGidofter (talk) 9:59 PM CST, 7 March 2019
- Edit: Needs more chocolate.
Uncertain Future Section
To be blunt, I don't like any granular part of it. I disagree with its thesis (5e outright made them a core race and put them into almost all of its published adventures), and I feel it takes entirely too much of a sidetrack into both complaining about SJWs ruining everything and into claiming that people aren't masturbating to dark elves because devil girl is also a fetish now. Well, I keep up with doujin output on exhentai, and I can confidently state that last one is outright wrong. It feels like trying to crowbar in a "decline and fall" narrative with little basis in reality, and I luvs ya Quiet but I motion it be removed. --SpectralTime (talk) 19:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I was just trying to comment on the recent "orcs and drow are racist! D&D needs to get more racially woke!" hysteria, but I will admit I wasn't in a very good headspace when I wrote it. I'm not going to start any edit war over the topic, so I'll let other users here decide whether it should stay, get changed, or go - I have no attachment to it of any kind.--QuietBrowser (talk) 20:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- I agree its present form is more "editorial page" than "news page". On the other hand, part of 1d4chan's charm is that when a module sucks (I can name more than a few complete abortions in TSR product, over the decades), we are allowed to say so.
- I did find one paragraph in need of rewrite here. I'm sure others can drop by with other suggestions. --Zimriel (talk) 22:55, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- ...I mean, I admit that hearing a guy I'm quasi-Internet friends with and possess some respect for unironically say "in the wake of the mass BLM riots" kind of puts me in a bad head-space, but I'mma try to swim past that to the issue at hand. I don't see it as factually correct or ideologically salvageable, and the only reason I haven't erased it is that I wanted to talk it over first. At the same time... I don't want to just high-handedly delete it if lots of other readers like it, and it seems at least one guy does? I don't know where to go from here, and it's 2:30 in the morning so I don't think I'll come up with it before I get some sleep in me. --SpectralTime (talk) 06:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- To be honest, probably not the words I would have used if I was fully in my right mind at the time. I am, and always have been, a believer in equal rights - that all people, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, whatever, have the right to be treated with dignity, respect and full representation as the fundamental parts of humanity they are. Unfortunately, I've also been increasingly led to believe that there are people out there who are taking this fundamental truth and twisting it into the potential for a new Moral Crusade, in the vein of the Satanic Panic... at the very least, they're making us look as crazy as the alt-right. I mean, seriously, we now live in a world in which the film Aliens has been given trigger warnings for misogyny. Does that sound like "equal rights" or "progressiveness" to you? I value your friendship, and I respect your opinions, but I just cannot deny that I feel the "cancel culture" is turning into the same thing as the conservatives of the 50s and 80s. That is why I said I am not going to defend this section, because, you're right, it's currently too early to say if the recent resurgence of the old complaints of D&D equating to real world racialism is actually going to result in Satanic Panic-style self-censorship. So, please, if it can be made relevant; do so. Otherwise; delete it. I trust your judgment, and the judgments of 1d4chan's userbase as a whole.--QuietBrowser (talk) 07:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- This anon doesn't think you need to apologize, QB. We're all believers in equal rights in general and there's nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade (the 'in the wake' thing, IMO "bad head-space" is a really bizarre way of saying "I'm offended"), though it is admittedly hard to word to sound any more... neutral? Anyways, the spillover effect from this new "racism panic" is relevant to tabletop gaming, we've all seen the messages put out by WH community and WOTC and the "revisions" that's ongoing. There's nothing wrong with adding nuance to majority-evil races - hell, I've been designing my own DnD setting with neutral/good offshoots of orcs and drow long before all this political pandering, so I'm certainly not optimistic about the politics-motivated revisions that WOTC will be making to these races. That sort of motive rarely ends well, and it could easily become ham-fisted. It's gonna get worse if they start applying this mindset to many other races that are meant to be overwhelmingly evil, like illithids, fiends and beholders (hell, this is coming from someone who was intrigued by the idea of that good illithid monk in 3.5's Book of Exalted Deeds). --22.214.171.124 03:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Funny you mention that - just did a bit on Always Chaotic Evil that might be relevant, and this is some decent input that I could probably work into it. Probably worth mentioning Drizzt in some form as well.
- On that note, D&D is still a Tolkien-derivative fantasy property at its roots for better or worse, and the unfortunate implications of the Tolkien orcs were carried through into a lot of people who were influenced by or else straight-up bit off his work, but lacked the writing skill to make the orcs as a people at least somewhat nuanced and palatable - to his credit, Tolkien did try to improve on any biases, unconscious or otherwise) that he may have exhibited in earlier works, but present they still are. (a couple of worthwhile reads on the matter, by the way.)
- But yeah, it's a corporate move capitalizing on something players were by and large already doing, in spite of the cockroaches scurrying from under their rocks to insist otherwise, and I'm far more concerned and skeptical about how well it'll be handed on a quality level than I am about supposed SJW outcry and associated virtue signaling about other people's "virtue signaling". I'll gladly admit that "orcs are black people" and other similar takes are heavily oversimplifying it, though - it's infinitely more precise to say that they have more in common with portrayals of Mongolian tribes that often had a lot of Yellow Peril-esque influence (the latter even mentions a "Mongolian Terror" that preceded said Peril) that probably bled into Tolkien's creations from the British culture of his and prior eras, the likes of which features common rationalizations used in racist pathology across the board, naturally (and especially) including anti-black racism. --126.96.36.199 04:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)