Talk:Eldar

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GW the Hypocrite[edit]

I know it's not relevant to this page but I read the Games Workshop entry on here and it got me thinking. If Games Workshop could sue Amazon over "Spots the Space Marine", claiming they own the term "Space Marine", couldn't Tolkien's estate sue Games Workshop for stealing the term "Eldar"? The Lord of the Rings and it's accompanying work are not public domain yet.

Well, GW lost that, since the majority of works they go after don't actually emulate the space marines in anything but name. Tolkien's estate, not being composed of sue-happy morons, and recognizing the fact that "Eldar" primarily pops up in a work of secondary importance to the overall franchise of LoTR and doesn't have too much in common with the 40k version bar the basic elf archetype, wouldn't really care. You'd never prove in a million years the loss of business from something like that. Also, GW being hypocritical, incompetent, or showing any other of the negative traits of humanity should come as no surprise.--Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you for explaining, and I know that Games Workshop are incompetent hypocrites. It makes me question whether I should continue to support the hobby. Regarding the situation, I thought that Games Workshop went after Amazon AND the author of the story Spots the Space Marine. However, the author's local town and a food distribution company (good PR) rallied behind them to provide money to contest GW's lawsuit. Realizing that the author now did have the money to take them to court, Games Workshop (being the typical cowardly bullies they are) backed down. Is that what happened during the "Spots the Space Marine" fiasco? If not, how was that resolved?
  • And almost every eldar culture characteristic is taken from the indian culture. I think the government of India could also demand GW.

Actual Page Discussion[edit]

Needs moar ELDAR--207.233.27.2 16:34, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Go for it, tiger. Fatum 20:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Could someone refer me to a non-speculative source that says Eldar were created by the Old Ones? I've never heard that before. -Darklight (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

What's all this about being GW's whipping boy? BL shit notwithstanding, they're one of the most powerful armies in the last two editions.

They always lose in fluff and win in crunch. That's kinda always how it's been, but this page is really fucking biased and needs fixed.--96.18.13.109 00:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Off-topic[edit]

The most ironic thing I find is that the Orks did what the Eldar could not. Both races were created to fight the Necrons. In time the Eldar fell into total disarray after one too many orgies/coke binges. The Orks spent all their time collecting dakka so they could keep on fightin and winnin. Congratulations, Eldar. You are now dumber than Orks. --KSB26 22:00, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Orks were not created to fight the crons. Krorks were. They may or may not be related to the Lost Race that created the Orks. That's the only way to account for Gavin Thorpe's bullshit in a coherent way. Whatever. Orks were created by the Lost Race to protect them because they were tiny.

So what's this mess about Eldar being the Guardians of the Plot Status Quo? A novel, a movie, codex fluff? What's the source?

Old Codex stuff (which means ignore it GW does), whenever Eldar show up its to stop something form happening, ie they attack Tallarn to prevent some idiot form opening a daemon gate. But that's not really the Status Quo its just stoping shit hitting the fan. The REAL Guardian of the Plot Status Quo is in fact Tzeentch ironic isn't it?

No, it's not, and learn to use English, and stop wrecking articles with your terrible edits. Creed of Heresy (talk) 11:08, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Even if the article is just some whinny eldar hater bitching? Maybe we should give some sources. Because everyone I know makes the Chaos Gods the ones keeping the Status Quo. Khrone, needs the war to never end, Nurgle is all about stagnation, Slaanesh is also big on things being endless, Tzeentch is the only one for change and even he needs to make sure his plans never go succeed.

The Eldar are always the one keeping cool shit from happening, like the destruction of the Maledictum, awakening of Necrons, or Exterminatus of Typhon. Fuck those guys. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah, because ALL of the things you mentioned would be positive.
"Hey guys, a Greter Daemon we trapped thousands of years ago is about to get set free."
"Wow, that's cool! Let them free him!"
"Hey guys, our ancient enemies the Necrons are awakening and will surely destroy half of the galaxy if not more to reclaim their lost empire/feed their demi-gods."
"Don't worry, they surely won't come here to vaporize us!"
"Hey guys, a whole Craftworld which crashed on a planet thousands of years ago and that is now buried deep under it's surface is about to be destroyed by a mon-keigh Exterminatus and million of soulstones are still there."
"Eh, who cares? The souls will just suffer an eternity of torment and pain at the hands of She Who Thirsts."
And they failed to protect the Maledictum, are struggling to keep un with the Necron awakening and lost almost all of that Craftworld's soulstones. Yeah, cool shit really. -Silver (talk) 12:08, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
You seem to be taking a pro-Eldar stance in all of those. Chaos would love half of these events, and I'm sure the Imperium wouldn't shed too many tears about some pansy space-elves getting warp-fucked. And Eldar tears are delicious. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 12:42, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

You do know that nine Times out of Ten its the Imperium that's getting fuck because its on one of their worlds? You know the despite what most (and many of us) think they do care about not losing their planets. Like world that got ecterminatus was a Space Marine recruiting world. And I guess the Grey Knights would get pissed about breaking soulstones because that just means their job just got harder. You know the "Derp herp suck it elves" shit is just making the humans come off as the arrogant pricks (or at least the bigger ones). --D715 (talk) 15:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

The Eldar won't ever lose to anyone in the department of being pricks, thanks to that little stunt with Slaanesh that they pulled. And secondly, losing Typhon barely matters to the Imperium. It's a backwater of fuckall importance, compared to the blow of losing a craftworld for the Eldar. Finally, busting up a few soulstones might give Slaanesh a bit more power, it also means we've got way less Eldar fuckery in the sector (see: throwing orks and tyranids at the imperium.) So in sum, some space faggots got killed and stopped bothering humanity, always a win in my book.--Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Didn't humans make the other three chaos gods, or at least Khrone? And like the Imperuim is any better in their levels of being pricks. Also love how you trivialize giving a chaos god a power boost, powering Slaanesh might mean a few Eldar are gone but it also means more human nobles going turn (as they're the most likely to worship him) meaning the Imperuim gets shittier because they're using taxes on their shit.
I took a pro Eldar stance because the Eldars were trying to stop those events, so I gave you the reasons of their actions. And the Imperium cares about every single planet, hence why they fight hundresds-years-long wars against Orks' WAAAGH!s in ordet to mantain the control of a single planet, loosing millions of soldiers every time. They aren't defenders of the status quo, they are defenders of their own interests, as everyone else in the galaxy. The fact they will do it trying to remain behind the scenes it's another story. -Silver (talk) 09:31, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
  • On a humourous side-topic, there must be a lot of sex going on in the Imperium (Slaanesh approves!). They throw millions of soldiers into battles; in fact their unwritten policy is that the gear of the soldiers is more valuable than the soldiers themselves, yet they keep managing to replenish their losses and field huge armies, even though despite propaganda, most people in the Imperium know how horrible life can be in the Imperial Guard.

Uh, note? This wiki does not exist for the purpose of maintaining personal grudges. Is there any actual sourcing for this "Eldar are why things can't better" claim?

Eldar are hippies[edit]

We should not forget that according to the 4th eldar codex, page 13, eldar dont see their own "technology" as technology, they see it as nature grown mumbojumbo. So calling them technological advanced is a strech, they are hippies. :P

Eldar Reproduction[edit]

Here's a little fun thing I recall from the time of Rogue Trader. Eldar are avian or reptilian in nature. They may seem like mammals now, but Rogue Trader stated they might have birds or lizards as ancestors, because they reproduce through ovoviviparity (embryos are develop in eggs which remain in the mothers body until they are ready to hatch). You guys have any thoughts on the matter? --Dark Harlequin (talk) 10:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Current 40k has the Eldar being created by the Old Ones, similarly applying Earth based phylogenics to Alien species is silly. Thirdly, the most important part of being a mammal is having mammaries, and Eldar quite clearly have boobs. Similarly, from what little GW has told us, they seem to reproduce the same way we do. Finally, there's mention of half-human hybrids in Commorragh. All in all, it seems Eldar do in fact give live birth and carry children in their wombs. Crazy Cryptek (talk) 11:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
I never said they weren't created by the Old Ones. I just said they were bird/lizard people, then the Old Ones came, decided they wanted Space Elves, guided the pre-Eldar race into mammalian Eldar. Also for all that GW has told us Eldar take years to get the baby, it takes several intercourses for the baby to get enough DNA to get completed, and the Eldar shit pearls. Also where does it say there are Human/Eldar hybrids out there in Commoragh. A quote or a page number would nice.--Dark Harlequin (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Keep in mind that there is a humble bird out there that produces milk for their children, I talk of course about the humble platypusDragoon508 (talk) 12:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Eldar/Aeldari[edit]

So people are pretty much panicking at this whole "Eldar name-changed to Aeldari" ? Even though its pretty much confirmed that Eldar and Aeldari are inter-changeable names for them. Why all the fuss ? I mean calling them Eldar or Aeldari at times should be better than fully calling the elves from Age of Sigmar "Aelves". --CSM Havoc (talk) 3:12, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Adding Humour?[edit]

i feel like i cannot edit this article with some funny additions like purple tyranid text and orky green text without it being edited out later. can we add some funnyness to these space dicks article? --XToverdrive (talk) 03:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

You can add humour to an article, the issue with the humour you tend to add is that it isn't funny for a number of reasons. The biggest is that the type of humour you're suggesting works best in small amounts and when it's used sparingly. When you try to add jokes to articles you'll either make them go on for too long, or add too many of them across the article to the point that the joke is no longer funny and instead becomes repetitive. Another issue is the context you are adding these jokes into. Due to how this wiki is constructed, a joke isn't usually going to be funny if it's just thrown in randomly. Adding an Ork quote to something like the eldar-human hybrid topic on the main page would be extremely out of place, no matter how funny the joke is and would likely be deleted regardless of who put it up. In the same vein, if you want to go for some low-brow humour and let's say you want to make a joke over how phallic some of their helmets are (and how it's thematically appropriate, considering that the Eldar are regarded as being 'dickish' at best) then it would be a bad idea to put that in the black library section, as that has nothing to do with their visual appearance. That sort of joke would be much better off in the gallery where you can demonstrate what you mean with an image, and then you should leave it at that. If you try to draw further attention to the joke it only helps the joke in becoming stale. -- Triacom (talk) 09:25, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Eldar or Craftworlds?[edit]

Just checking but the opening article, image and such all very heavily references the Craftworld Eldar only, I don't think Commorragh even gets a mention. Shouldn't this be changed maybe if this is supposed to be he 'general' Eldar article. Perhaps using a header image with aspects of all the Eldar subfactions known about at current? Maybe that 8th Edition Rulebook page which shows them all in concentric circles and such?Malignant (talk) 08:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

The Eldar and Dark Eldar have diverged so much that by M41 they're practically different species. Considering that the actual game only calls DE the DE it makes sense to have all regular Eldar on this page, while Dark Eldar have their own page. -- Triacom (talk) 18:44, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Why no "Awesome" tag?[edit]

All the other faction's pages have them, why don't the eldar?