Talk:God-Emperor of Mankind

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One thing?

The Imperial truth: no superstition, science, reason, logic, no gods...

The Emperor is a New Atheist!

Hitchens is the Emperor of Mankind!

Someone get a 'shoop!

Didn't the Imperial truth turn out to be a gaint fuck up because Chaos is fueled by emotions and actions as much as belief, and only belief in the Emprah can weaken them.

The To-Do list[edit]

One editor decided to fuck up the to-do list by replacing as much as he could type with his improvements.

Bad, because you're not playing well with others.

Another editor decided it was all too silly and just deleted the whole thing.

Bad, because you're destroying something that obviously other people are having fun with (despite how inarguably stupid that something is).

I moved the To-Do list to it's own article, so people can still play and it won't fuck up the main article which should be about the EMPRAH in all his EMPRAH-ness. The to-do list is a joke that's grown huge and taken on a life of it's own now.
--NotBrandX 15:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh my God... Matt Ward is gonna make that ultramarine chapter master into the star child! And give him the largest handheld gun in the universe...

Colored version of armor-less Emperor.[edit] 04:48, 5 October 2011 (BST): I didn't want to upload it outright without making sure it was okay, but I had some time to kill so I thought I'd do some coloring practice. :3

  • Dude, that looks awesome! You SHOULD upload it!

--MercWithMouth (talk) 08:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

The Star Child, and such[edit]

The section on the Star Child was almost entirely useless debate about who had the bigger dong between the Emperor and the Chaos Gods. I rewrote it with some more useful information, mostly using Lexicanum as a source, but if some of you who are more integrated into the fluff want to expand on it, that'd be pretty awesome. Schrodinger 16:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Chaos version of the Emperor's Rise[edit]

Commissar.gif This article or section is EXTRA heretical. Prepare to be purged.

I was thinking perhaps there should be a section on the Chaos/gods side of the story of the Emperor. I remember reading somewhere (was it one of the books) that basically, the whole reason the war goes on is because the Emperor bargained with the Chaos gods long ago for much of his strength. Back then, the Chaos gods kept to their realm, and their single condition for helping the Emperor with his conquest, with the knowledge of how to make the Primarchs, etc was that he have humanity acknowledge the chaotic nature of their being which had created them in the first place. He basically said fuck you to the gods after and reneged on his deal. So not only does this give good room to expound on how Emps is ever more of a dick than ever, but that the Chaos gods are possibly the good guys.

Of course, its one viewpoint, but still one backed with some lore I think. Someone pointed out that the pods which carried the Primarchs to the other worlds were written with prayers to Chaos to guide them to safety.

Needless to say, this is Extra Heresy on a scale unforseen, but good. Perhaps someone could pinpoint where in a lore piece this was mentioned? If no one objects, I can write it sometime --IconOfEvi 02:36, 25 June 2012 (BST)

  • I think this was in one of the earlier Chaos codices. Can't remember which though. I for one, do not object. HAIL THE GODS.
  • The "Emperor creating the Primarchs through Chaos" thing is referenced by Ingethel the Ascended in The First Heretic. On the other hand, since it is a daemon saying this I would be suspicious on the whole thing. -- SFH 00:27, 5 August 2012 (BST)
    • Because opposing Imperial propaganda is so much more reliable amirite? Put this shit in. LET ALL POINTS OF VIEW BE GIVEN FAIR REPRESENTATION. Additionally, this can easily be given a more pro-Imperial flavour, maybe humanity acknowledging their Chaoticness would have led to them being enslaved by Chaos that much easier? And the Emperor gaining most of his power from a Faustian deal with Chaos and then reneging on it at the last possible moment really does make him seem that much more of a mastermind.
    • And that much more of a dick, too. Pilgrim of Terra (talk)
  • Wait a second. This COULD makes actually some sense. According to legend, the Emperor was created in the Warp when a whole bunch of psykers (the "Shamans") sacrificed themselves at the same time with the survival and advance of mankind in heart. The stated fluff said that when a feeling is powerful enough in the Real Space, the Warp mirrors it. Now add the psyker might and the sacrifice thing to the equation and what we got? IN MY OPINION, a consciousness, a living being, a Daemon, as the Imperialfags would call it. But this being knew that the warp could overtake him (and it is not a good pain to him) so It concluded that a more direct approach in the nature of It's existence (protect, serve and helping advance humanity) is the safest one; It could even sense the forming of the consciousness of what later will be known as Chaos Gods. So It possessed an unborn child (or a stillborn child) to escape, become stronger and to avoid corruption of it's purpose, like already happened to other "Warpborn" consciousness. A year later of It's creation, It, now HE; was born in Anatolia (Turkey) and his history began. Yea, I'm talking of the Emperor, and I'm suggesting that he would be a "CHAOS GOD". Read that I say he's a "chaos god" only in nature, not purpose. He's committed to the advancement and protection of humanity like Khorne is committed to slaughter and warfare, Tzeentch to scheming and change, Nurgle to disease and stagnation, and Slaanesh to pleasure and hedonism; because He was created of such feelings.
  • I would like to remind everyone the very intro text to Warhammer 40K "He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods". The fact that GW didn't alter this points, that maybe the only reason Emps got anywhere with the Unification Wars was thanks to the Great Four.
    • I remembered that. Though the Chaos Gods hate his guts, they do acknowledge Emps as their equal. - Ben (talk) 12:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

"even if it had the Tyranids would still have rocked up a few millennia later"[edit]

Really? The tyranids are attracted to the Astronomican. If the heresy didn't happen is it possible that Emps web way project would have finished, replacing warp travel, allowing the Astronomican to be shut down? If this happened, would the tyranids still show up to the milky way a few millennia later?--Emerald Claw (talk) 09:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

  • An alternate "fan"-theory is that the Pharos is what attracted the Nids towards the Galaxy, especially considering how they went in a straight line towards Macragge during the First Tyrannic War, and each war since has been more and more dispersed. Not conclusive though. If the Pharos hadn't been used, would they be attracted to the Astronomican instead? Even the idea that they are attracted to Terra is in-universe conjecture and can only be based on facts available to the speaker. They might simply have been on their way to the Milky Way anyway, since it might take thousands/millions of years to cross the Inter-Galactic void --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 10:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Tyranids are attracted to the galaxy by the Astronomican (according to multiple wikis). 5th edition codex says that they the Astronomican is what is attracting them (or maybe just leviathan) to Terra (I can't find it but supposedly 5th ed nid codex also says it is what is attracting Nids to the galaxy).
I'm going to delete the "even if it had the Tyranids would still have rocked up a few millennia later"--Emerald Claw (talk) 06:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

History of the Emperor[edit]

I don't see how the old fluff contradicts the new, as one becomes a perpetual by dying and being raised again. Which the shamans did somehow. The Emperor just wouldn't be a single perpetual but a group of them in a single body.

Don't know if you still drop by, but here's an answer: Perpetuals are OPs among beings that don't die. Somehow they are born; and somehow, they come back again and again. The shamans are better explained: before the Warp was fucked up by the awakenings of the powers of ruin, their souls go in and back out. After, they had to bunch together to prevent themselves from being NOMMED. So in short shamans aren't Perps, and being a Perp is a physical trait. Pilgrim of Terra (talk)

When there's pictures of Sagan as God-Emperor...[edit]

when will we add pictures of Trump, since it's very popular in the Internet (especially /pol/ and reddit) to portray him as such.

  • We won't, because /pol/ and Reddit are shit. - Biggus Berrus (talk) 14:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Trump is utterly irrelevant in the basis of context here. The relevancy of real political events does not matter in WH40k. That and we don't care what that over glorified shoddy failure of a businessmen does to fuck up or save America so long as he does not handle 40k or other /tg/ approve shit with his grubby little hands. We already have GeeDubs to fuck us over, we don't need another one. Derpysaurus

Am I the only one that finds the Trump joke/analogy to be kind of lame/stretching it/irrelevant/too narrow/not funny? EDIT: Oops, nevermind. Addressed above and apparently everyone here also agrees. Okay. ...can we remove it from the page because it's pretty dumb, IMHO. The only thing they remotely have in common is a hatred of illegal aliens, and even not the same type (or same SPECIES) of illegal aliens! Last I checked, Trump wasn't a fighter and the Emperor wasn't a corporate CEO who luved money and hired/fired people on reality TV shows. TiamatRoar (talk) 00:17, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Getting butthurt about a harmless joke? I'm fairly impressed how low this wiki has gotten that we can't put jokes in articles anymore, because they're obviously SRSBUSNEZX FOR SRSPEEPLE.Evil Executive, CEO of Evil Incorporated (talk) 05:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that the "Emperor is Donald Trump" joke feels way too forced. If you squint your eyes you can see a broad resemblance in their plans and ideologies but generally speaking it's too Dada to quite work. So if there's a vote, I'm for the removal of the mention. --Naeondaemon (talk) 08:32, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Since when is 1d4chan a fake democracy like reddit? Who in their right mind thinks it's okay to censor something with a vote? Even something as simple as a harmless joke. Evil Executive, CEO of Evil Incorporated (talk) 16:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Except you people aren't getting that the analogy might be off, but its a popular joke that caught on, even outside the realms of /tg/. If you people are gonna nitpick over every analogy we've been making as a joke over the years, go scrutinize: the weeaboo space communists, Space Jesus, Catholic Space Nazis, Space Furries, Genghis Khan in Space, literally almost everything we've joked and said about the Imperial Guard, and so on and so forth. Otherwise, learn to take a single joke we've recorded for prosperity's sake. Tactical Mehren (talk) 11:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Unlike the Trump joke, most of the other ones you just listed actually make sense, to the point where I don't even see most of them as jokes so much as a way to give a short two-word description of what they actually are. Tau policy is very similar to communist policy and they definately have Asian inspirations in some of their motifs, Jaghatai Khan is indeed actually based off of Ghenghis Khan (his last name should have given you a hint), the Emperor being Jesus is practically implied in some canon fluff to the point where calling him Jesus isn't even a joke so much as a statement of implied fact, and the space wolves codex really does have wolf in practically every other word. Even the Imperial Guard jokes are practically canonized with the Imperial Uplifting Primer. People dislike the Trump joke not because they're butthurt, but because it just is too much of a stretch and even when it isn't a stretch, its' just not funny, in part because the Emperor has always been treated by the fluff as a grey area where sometimes he's good and sometimes he's bad while Trump is just... Trump. A joke shouldn't have to be explained or require a person to stop and think exactly how it works (not that any explanation I've seen is a good one anyways). He doesn't even fit thematically with all the other names there. TiamatRoar (talk) 14:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
No, I'm honestly getting the feeling that you're trying to censor this because of your political views, which should remain off of this wiki. All of the reasons being given thus far for its removal seem quite shallow..Evil Executive, CEO of Evil Incorporated (talk) 16:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
  • If I may, the Donald Trump jokes may have some correlation to the Emperor (however flimsy they may be) but my opinion they're cringe-inducing at best and Trump really doesn't embody what the Emperor is. Even the correlation of Trump becoming the God President/God Emperor (whatever joke you guys/gals have heard of) isn't really that much of a basis to add such a piece that there is now. Now, I'd personally go for a picture in the gallery at the bottom, I'd be more than happy for that to happen. Alright, I've said my piece and I will say no more on the subject...even in 1D4chan I can't escape from the political upheaval as of late...
Listen bruva, one day this world shall return to a state of bliss and cheerful laughter. There will be smiles and laughter, happy children singing together while their parents to to work at fruitful jobs. There will be memes everywhere, and people will laugh at them. But for now there is poison rotting in the hearts of people worldwide, as few people now can laugh. They wallow in sadness, hoping that something will come along and make things better. Little do they know that they have the power to do so themselves. We all have the power to make things better, to laugh and be cheerful, to make memes that others can laugh at. Going after other people's memes isn't going to help the state of this world.Evil Executive, CEO of Evil Incorporated (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Alright. Whilst I don't agree with you on the position concerning the meme, I can certainly respect you for acting civil (especially when talking about such a subject; sick and tired of hearing idiots smashing their heads about this (the election)) and very well explaining yourself and your side...I know I said I was done (shame on me) but I suppose that the Trump memes will be fine JUST SO LONG as people don't overdo it and disrupt the relative peace of this site...(and I'm guessing that's what several of my fellow users of this site are thinking; if the Trump memes start coming then the more radical Hillary supporters are going to get triggered, start screaming, the more radical Trump supporters will scream back, and turn this site into a warzone along with the rest of the internet.) Realistically, I don't have any problem with Trump memes, I'm just concerned about the fallout.


Not to beat the dead horse, but wouldn't that imply the memes were actually funny at some point? I have yet to see a meme get run into the ground so quickly as the "Trump=Emperor" one, and even when it was new it came off as being too forced- the connections were far too superficial and inane to make it funny on its own merits. More importantly, I feel like as a rule most of the users here want no mention of contemporary politics at all; I know that I for one come here to get away from that shit and would have deleted it myself had nobody else done so. More importantly, a bad joke is worse than none at all, and as is the case with most memes the ones I have seen thus far simply are not funny. We need to have standards somewhere, people- if you really want to add a meme like that, it should at least have a little more effort put into it than a Photoshopped picture and a point of comparison that barely works.--Newerfag (talk) 19:34, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, I sincerely believe that at the point where someone removes official info like

"to eventually coming to find the planet Molech, where He passed through a gateway that led directly to the fortresses of the four Chaos Gods. Here He either challenged, bargained, or stole portions of power from a source claimed by the gods as their own. When He finally emerged, in His possession was the power needed to create His 20 Primarchs. This would earn Him the ire of the duped/defeated Ruinous Powers, who would never see the primarchs as His children, but as children belonging to the Gods themselves."

in order to replace it with complete NONSENSE (that isn't even a joke since there's no punchline) like

"Later the Emperor became a respectable businessman in the old land of 'Merica, where he went by the name of Donald Trump. There he got his first taste of politics and rule over us mortals by becoming a "Presenint" for the ancient people of 'Merica. He spent the next 1000 years leading said country to greatness, until he got bored of politics and went off to go kill some dragons. ",

That's no longer a joke. That's just vandalism.

Also, that picture is lazy and stupid. Someone too damn lazy to draw their own cartoon took someone else's random political cartoon, and replaced "President" with "Emperor". OH WOW SO CREATIVE MUCH (and it somehow becomes even MORE nonsensical. Since when the hell are emperors elected?) TiamatRoar (talk) 00:31, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


I'm pretty sure the Molech stuff is official (in a paraphrased sense), not fanfiction.

And if it IS fanfiction, it should just be deleted rather than replaced with even stupider fanfiction that makes no sense in any context like your political agenda Trump stuff that you keep trying to shove down everyones' throats, EvilExecutive (and no, removing the word Trump does not magically make it any better, funnier, relevant, more interesting, or more informative. ...or less obvious to everyone here). TiamatRoar (talk) 05:53, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Trump Emperor has been a meme since 2015, I'm just trying to add a /tg/ meme to 1d4chan. Just like people have been doing since 2015... I think you're the shitter that wants to push a political agenda by censoring innocent memes.Evil Executive, CEO of Evil Incorporated (talk) 07:03, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Also, take note that I'm not currently trying to remove fucking carnac's fanfiction. Only point out that it's carnac's bullshit to anyone wanting to read the nonsense. Evil Executive, CEO of Evil Incorporated (talk) 07:08, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
The Gateway on Molech is official canon, not fanfiction. It appears in the novel Vengeful Spirit where Horus follows the same path to gain powers for himself and make himself the equal of his father. Though it is strongly implied that the Emperor either stole or bargained for his superpowers where Horus fought for his. Whether you believe that part is true or not is subject to your opinion. But the Emperor did leave a Perpetual companion to guard the gateway for thousands of years, fortifying the crap out of the planet with several legions and mindwiping four of his sons so they wouldn't remember that the gate was there, so clearly it was significant to him. Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 07:15, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Alright, that's what I thought. So the Molech info isn't even a fanfic, unlike the crap you inserted, Evil Executive. Seriously, your stupid shit that you put in there is sandwiched in a whole bunch of official info to the point where anyone who doesn't know better might think it actually came from somewhere official. And stop bringing politics into things. The one who mentioned politics first was you and the one who's always bringing it up is you. Also, I'm marginally sure that deleting that ridiculously vague reference to some poor innocent sweet little meme from a place where it doesn't fit in is not going to hurt that meme's feelings. TiamatRoar (talk) 10:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm not American, so Trump quite literally is "not my president" but I couldn't care less about whatever meme people want to use when trying to compare big Emps to an egotistical maniac that gets put in charge. I get the joke and while I don't think it's hilarious, I'm not butt-hurt about it being there. My objection is to deleting "official" stuff and somehow attributing it about a /tg user who rants at length about chaos conspiracy theories. Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 12:42, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
I would also like to point out once again that the "meme" (which doesn't seem to have ever been as popular as Evilexecutive claims) isn't even notable or funny enough to justify adding. It reads like something that was copypasted from Encyclopedia Dramatica for the sake of being a "lolsorandom" reference to current events. What is this, a Seltzer and Friedberg movie?--Newerfag (talk) 20:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
So like, when there's just one guy who thinks a nonsense non-notable meme should be on the page and at least five other people in discussions think the opposite, what's the process for that? We can't really "take this to discussions" any more than we already did, I think... TiamatRoar (talk) 00:09, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
It's called compromise.Evil Executive, CEO of Evil Incorporated (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
That word clearly doesn't mean what you think it means. TiamatRoar (talk) 00:30, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Seriously, looking at the sidelines, this whole debate is a fucking joke. The reason why Trump just doesn't work out with the Emperor is because there is barely any superficial resemblance in both character, cannon or appearance to poke fun at. If you want to put Trump there than you might as well put in Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines who is essentially Trump on steroids. Just because some tards from /pol/ may use it as some sort of forced meme to make a point. In the end. A forced meme is still a forced meme and is thus, the worst form of comedy as it tries to force down a joke down your throats rather than letting the meme or joke to mature naturally on itself. Derpysaurus

>The reason why Trump just doesn't work out with the Emperor is because there is barely any superficial resemblance in both character, cannon or appearance to poke fun at. - You mean like how we've been stereotyping nearly everything here? Seriously, Trump = Emperor is but one of the many loose comparisons we've been doing over the years. The only real difference here is that /tg/ didn't make it, but it caught on anyway. We've played on weaker-based memes before and included them for laughs or prosperity. We've played the Tau as Weeaboo Space Communists, despite their political system only borrowing trace amounts of similarities from communism itself. We've dug up the horribly outdated Chuck Norris facts meme for Sly Marbo, despite Sly not really matching the profile of CN much (I mean hell, he's built up to be Rambo). One of the Emperor's names is Space Jesus, despite the fact that comparing the Emperor to J.C would be like comparing Ghandi to Hitler. As I've said before; if you people are going to scrutinize every passing joke we've made here; you might aswell re-write this entire wiki to be 100% factual and sensible. But hey, I'm equally surprised people here are willing to defy a single line of text to the death. Its not like this entry is going to get its own section filled with contrasts and comparisons. Its a single passing line at the top of the page that won't be mentioned again. Face it, this entire flubdubbery is because of everyone's political agendas and way too much free time than a mortal should be allowed to have. Tactical Mehren (talk) 12:35, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

  • P.S.: If anyone of you is going to use the "HURR NOT NOTABLE ENOUGH" or "DURR FORCED MEME" angle, are you gonna start cleaning up the mountains of underdeveloped and abandoned fanon ideas we've been amassing over the years (Like the first-gen /tg/ Space Marine chapters) or, just for starters, everything related to Boreale's speech impediment? Or are you still going to keep your biased standards?
    • I have tried to do that. But AssistantWikifag doesn't delete anything unless it's outright spam, so there's very little point (especially when several other contributors are strongly in favor of keping them). The big difference here is that a majority of people insisted on keeping them around for reasons I don't understand, and I'm not stupid enough to slap the "Delete" tag on a few dozen pages when odds are nothing will ever be done about them. --Newerfag (talk) 18:48, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • When said joke turns into an edit war because one or the either side do not want to back down, then there is a point where the joke needs a serious look and that everyone needs to back the fuck off and create some sort of compromise. You should know that I don't really find the Trump joke (At least in this sort of format which I find just out of place) to sit consistently well at all IMO, but I am able to discuss some ways to place him that runs consistent with the page. I believe the best way to fix this issue without pulling the panties of both Evil Executive and TiamatRoar is by indirectly referencing him. An example is this, "The 1st & 2nd edition fluff also mentions that He guided humanity throughout history under a number of guises, such as Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Randy 'the Macho Man' Savage, as well as several political and unorthodox people including a peculiar businessmen/president with a funny hairstyle and an eccentric personality." You can fix this whatever you like, but an indirect reference is the best form of compromise I can think of without starting a flame war between these two editors, because we are getting dangerously close to it. Derpysaurus
Sorry for going off topic a bit here, but you should mean an edit war between evilexec and like, six other people. The last four or so reverts to evilexecs' edits to the page were done by other people, not me. Even before then, I think I only count for one third of the reverts although I haven't gone and done the math TiamatRoar
  • Sorry about that. But you get my point. I just hope that this does not get out of control. Derpysaurus

How the hell you guys couldn't solve this. The "birth" of Slaanesh caused ripples through the warp, which influenced humanity around the end of the 20th century. The emperor knowing this either disguised himself as Donald J. Trump, which I find implausible given how Mr. Trump is nothing like him, and "revealing" himself at this wouldn't quite fit in, or guided Trump towards presidency, probably via his uncle John G. Trump, who was a pretty cool guy. He also got Tesla research notes which he passed onto Donald. It is also theorized that Donald Trump might be a time traveler, but I think it is more plausible that the actual 'time traveler' is the Emprah, and he is either using the warp with Tesla's device for it or it is just foresight. Anyway he saw an impending chaos party on Earth (we kinda have the factions: globalists=Nurgle, 'progressives'=Slaanesh, nationalists=Tzeentch middle east=Khorne, of corse this is strong generalization but mostly fit), and decided that he has to make a move to stop it. Though this might be too long and unfounded for this article, I suggest making a Donald J. Trump article with a link, 'the emperor might have participated directly or indirectly in early 21st century politics as an emergency measure to guard the young mankind from the influence of the ruinous powers' placed in as a 5th paragraph in 'The Entire History of the Emprah'. I don't believe this whole is Trump the God-Emperor discussion belongs here and the it could be moved there with all the current hassle. -anon

And I suggest you just drop the idea of making the unfunny forced meme its own article already. We have enough of them as it is. Even if it wasn't, that "explanation" reads like a semicoherent word salad that I can't make heads or tails out of. To say nothing of the fact that we're trying to avoid political bullshit entirely, and not slip it in under the rug.--Newerfag (talk) 18:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Waiting123456: Alivia Sureka mused about the Emperor going to Molech.

The God-Emperor's modern guise(s)[edit]

The God-Emperor of Mankind will reveal himself when and how he chooses. It is futile to speculate what he might be up to right now, and while surely he is leaving his stamp on history, such is the subtlety of his actions that his impacts cannot be noticed with less than a thousand years of hindsight. (inb4 flame-war over whether Muhammad was the Emps if Jesus was. inb4 flame-war over whether I'm the Emps.) --AssistantWikifag (talk) 04:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Since it is empirically true that some of the folks at /pol/ and elsewhere do refer to Donald Trump as an Emperor or God-Emperor, and create shitty photomanipulations to that effect, I can see the argument that it's appropriate to include some mention of this phenomenon on the /pol/ article, maybe as a section below /pol/ Harbor (though not a subsection, to be clear). Skippu Skippu, Newerfag, and anyone else interested, let's give that a shot and see if we can get the information about what's going on without bringing in the flame war. --AssistantWikifag (talk) 01:49, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
And what does /pol/ have to do with /tg/ beyond shitposting and starting flamewars? It's /tg/-related in name alone and just as likely to cause trouble as anything else. They can make their own wiki if they want to show off their photoshopping skills so badly, Emperor or no Emperor. For that reason, I insist you strongly reconsider that idea for the sake of the wiki. Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile.--Newerfag (talk) 02:47, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm under the impression from looking at the /pol/ page on this site that most people would rather pretend that place doesn't exist. Heck, at least after reading this wiki's admittingly probably-biased take on it, as a person who thinks the Trump Emperor jokes are some of the most forced retardedly nonsensical dada crap I've ever had the misfortune of reading in a world where memes are everywhere, I actually feel vindicated upon reading that people at /pol/ are doing it. ...but still don't see why they should get any more acknowledgement for it or anything they do, really. TiamatRoar (talk) 03:08, 24 January 2017 (UTC):
I didn't realize that the article I had written had been tried before and had caused such a flame war, I apologize. I do think that there should be some info about it, as it fits every criteria for being mentioned on this wiki. I was told that my article was okay and decently written, so if I can get some approval I'll put something under /pol/ harbor on the /pol/ page. I'm just a newfag though so whatever you guys think. Skippu Skippu (talk) 5:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC):
The Emperor isn't Trump. I believe he is actually Tommy Wiseau. Let's look at the comparisons, Tommy's got a European accent, long black hair and has a mysterious past. You know who else has those? The Emperor. In conclusion I believe the Emperor made The Room to guide us in a certain way. Tyranid Memestealer (talk) 20:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

The Emperor's father[edit]

We are still seeing edits creeping in saying that Abel is big Emps daddy. Those people really need to read Master of Mankind again, just the first two chapters. "Abel" (and we only assume Abel because it's the first act of murder, and he was killed by his brother) was slain in the "earliest epoch, when humankind still fears the spirits of fire", called specifically a forgotten age. "Abel" was slain by a wooden spear, and knew his killer, raking his hands over his brother in either vengeance or pleading for mercy. In the very next chapter the Emperor's father is killed from behind with a sharpened bit of bronze to the skull. Yes, he's killed by his brother, but that's just the theme of the Heresy: that brother will always kill brother, that Astartes will kill Astartes, that Primarch kills Primarch, and why the Custodian cannot relate because he has no brothers. Big Emps daddy was not Abel, or the first murder victim, just a random dude with a very powerful Psyker for a son. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 11:50, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Text Color[edit]

I find the gold colored text at the top of the page to be quite hard to read unless I highlight it. Does anyone have this problem? Lemonny3663 (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

  • I have used a more darker gold colored template to make it easier to read now. Derpysaurus

The Emperors attitude towards the Primarchs is not reflective of his attitude towards everyone else.[edit]

In MoM its established that the emperor never cared for the Primarchs (Dark Imperium supports this). Alot of people took this to mean that he's a heartless bastard whom never cared for any of his followers as individuals. But does it? Remember the Primarchs were grown in tubes for the sole purpose of leading the Astartes. I think the Emperor treated them like tools and doesn't care for them as people because he honestly doesn't see them as people. Their nothing more than biological AI's. That doesn't mean he views the rest of his followers as tools. I think he does care for them as because they are people. If you told him that not caring for the primarchs makes him a monster he would look at you weird and say 'But their not human. Their objects.' A random citizen on the streets. An Astartes. A Custodes. He cares about them because their human beings. But the Primarchs? To him, their about as human as Men of Iron.

Supporting this is his interactions with the custodes. I certainly got the impression that he cared about them. He was willing to sacrifice them but not lightly and only out of necessity. But perhaps most tellingly is this line.

'You must take word to Jenetia Krole. Tell her...' The [Emperor] hesitated taking a deep breath. 'Tell her it is time to enact the unspoken sanction'.

We later learned that the Unspoken Sanction refereed to the sacrifice of a thousand psykers so the Emperor could fight. If he's a callous bastard why would he hesitate? And why would he wait 5 years to do it? That is proof(at least to me) that he valued his followers and cared for their well-being but didn't view the Primarchs as followers.

tl;dr: The Emperor did care for his followers as individuals and people. He didn't care for the Primarchs because they weren't people.

The Emperor and the Double-Headed Eagle[edit]

I take issue with the line that reads: It is also possible that He was the Russian emperor Peter I, purely based on the fact that imperial Russia's symbol was the two-headed eagle, and Peter I was considered huge (or great, depending on translation), and Stalin given that and the anti-religious agenda

But clearly the person who wrote this has no idea that the double-headed eagle existed long before Russia. The Haga (a double-headed eagle) was an ancient symbol of the Hittites (which ties in with the Emperor's story). The Byzantine Empire (the Medieval Roman Empire) also used it in association with their later Emperors, particularly as a sigil of the Palaiologos line. This is not to mention the connection with the Holy Roman Empire and elsewhere. I think the strongest links are with the Haga and the Byzantines, particularly because the Emperor originated in ancient Anatolia, and because the Byzantines, as the medieval Romans, lent a lot of their influence to what would later become the Imperium (especially since the Imperium has the "crumbling Empire" motif, something which the Byzantines dealt with during the entirety of their Empire's existence).

The Emperor's True Form[edit]

What did the Emperor really look like outside of his armour. Did he just look like a normal human who appeared divine due to his massive psychic powers?

I imagine that he looks like he walked straight out of a Boris Vallejo painting. - Biggus Berrus (talk) 20:13, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Without any psychic shenanigans he looked like an older Lorgar, aka Lex Luthor (oddly fitting). I can't remember which book it was but in one he remarks to Malcador that Lorgar looks the most like him (albeit younger). -- Triacom (talk) 09:44, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Didn't he just look like a normal human without his powers. Not a giant, not particularly good looking, but just some guy.


Does anyone know where I can find the conversation the Emperor and Guilliman had? I'm interested to see how it went. Tyranid Memestealer (talk) 08:51, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't think the conversation has been written down. The closest thing to it is Dark Imperium, when Guilliman is thinking of said conversation and what it meant, but it is never mentioned what exactly was said. --Alumno Alumno (talk) 17:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)