Talk:Horus

FUCKING HORUS

SShould this page be named "Fucking Horus"?

• No --Naeondaemon (talk) 06:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Cthonia

Curious question from a lurker who gets most of his 40K knowledge from here: Is there any info that can be added about Horus prior to being found by the Emperor? There's at least a basic outline for all the other primarchs (save Alpharius and Omegon, but that's their schtick), why does Horus' article basically begin right before the Heresy?

He was found on Cthonia. He probably did what most Primarchs did: turn his planet into a prosperous place of equality and stuff. Tyranid Memestealer (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The first Horus Heresy books imply that he left it sucking to get better recruits out of it.--97.104.199.133 20:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

That too. Tyranid Memestealer (talk) 20:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

A question regarding the mathhammer

When Horus fights the other Primarchs using the Talon, (not so much on this page, but on all the others) does the maths take into account the fact that IWND only recovers wounds and not other lost characteristics? And that when models are reduced to strength zero they get removed from play? Looking on Vulkans's page for example, it takes into account IWND on the statistics of the fight, which is technically correct of course. Over the weekend I watched Horus just eat a Vulkan/Guilliman tag team as a result of lots of poor saves over four turns. The flip side is that the Talon can only knock off one point of Strength each turn, while Horus can cause lots of wounds and win the fight much more quickly than the maths suggest, yet this is a fact of chance anyway, and a single captain has a chance of taking on Horus if the dice gods will it. but if we're talking "pure math per turn" then Horus should win fights more quickly since he inflicts injuries that cannot be recovered from and shouldn't take longer than around 6-7 turns depending on the strength of his opponent. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

While I can't speak for other people, I've always taken that into account with my math where it's necessary, but I'm not usually the one who does the mathhammer for Horus. To be fully honest the entire reason I've avoided Horus is because I hate factoring in Master-crafted, as that rule's a huge pain in the ass (I'll get around to it soon, just like I finally got around to fixing the math on the Armour of Reason). In any case I think it usually doesn't come up all that much since the matches rarely say how long they last, instead choosing to state whichever ones are clear winners rather than show the fight blow-by-blow. -- Triacom (talk) 09:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

About Horus VS Russ

The new breakdown of the match by Triacom taking Bringer of Ruin, Breaker of Shields into account is goddamn impressive but I have a few remarks about it. IWND is about regenerating ONE ROUND WOUND, it does not work as a save lowering the CHANCE of being wounded. The Talon's raw damage output being 0.88 + 0.44 + 0.44 etc., Russ will be WS7 S4 at the beginning of round 5, no matter how many wounds he gets back (it wouldn't change anything to the final result, but still). Second thing is, I really think we should have an alternative breakdown where Sever Life is triggered AFTER save, because it's actually a serious possibility supported both by RAW and RAI (curse you FW for poor wording). Since it forces Russ to sacrifice the superior damage from his axe in order to make even a single unsaved wound with Balenight, BoS,BoR becomes actually useless. At turn 5, Horus would not be on the edge of death and would outdamage and tank Russ long enough to win the fight. --78.250.142.141 11:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

That's a fair point and I'll take that into account soon, however BoS,BoR is not all that useless as Russ should not need to sacrifice all of his attacks just to get Sever Life off, for the first two rounds anyway, so long as Russ uses one attack with his axe he'll hit more often and will do more damage. -- Triacom (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

So I've corrected the math now, it turns out that Leman still kills Horus on the 7th round anyway, just before Horus' IWND gives him more Wounds again. Also after going through those results again I have to say I'm a little burned out on it, if somebody else wants to add in how the fight would go if Sever Life is only triggered via unsaved Wounds, then feel free. -- Triacom (talk) 17:52, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, you're fast ! Don't worry, I'll do the "sever after save" stuff later. Thank you for your hard work (master-crafted really is hell), as always you did a very good job. -- 78.250.220.8 22:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

No problem. I've been thinking of making a cheat-sheet for master crafted where I just flat out state how many extra hits it'll get based on how many attacks the user has, similar to what I did in the discussion page with Roboute's Armour of Reason. At least that way anyone else who wants to do the math would know how much it would do without having to go through the hoops themselves. -- Triacom (talk) 22:12, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Bullshit

--Nicol bolas (talk) 07:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)so horus beats practically everything thanks to his power level? including the swarmlord? that is total bullshit and unfair game balancing.

I should make clear that though I have to disagree with the Swarmlord winning, I do think it sucks as the Swarmlord's the explicit pinnaacle of Tyranid Evolution, like Primarchs are to humans, so I'd really have preferd it it'd actually been treated as a Tyranid Primarch. Sadly it just doesn't get treated that way at freaking all Malignant (talk) 12:08, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

It's almost like he's the greatest son of one of the most powerful gods in the setting or something.--63.152.108.238 08:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Not really, in all the fluff he was said to be the strongest Primarch, so it’s actually completely accurate. Also, 30k and 40k are different games with different characters-Horus will never fight the swarmlord. Remember that those math hammer battles at the bottom of the page are done by the laws of probability and averages-it is entirely possible that any Primarch could kick the crap out of Horus if the dice rolls go his way (hell, even a guardsman could do it given long enough).Crumbles (talk) 08:11, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

None of it matters, Primarchs will always beat Xenos or Daemons, just like Space Marines, the Swarmlord can't even beat an exhausted Dante or Marneus Calgar in a one on one fight Malignant (talk) 08:38, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Swarmlord is 300 points, Horus is 500. Turns out that powerful units can beat weaker ones, who knew? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 09:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Swarmlord costs more than Dante and Marneus Calgar but lost to both of them, so I don't really see how the crunch/fluff intersection here matters at all, even Chaplain Cassius has beat the SwarmlordMalignant (talk) 12:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

How many characters has the Swarmlord lost to? At this point him winning against Horus is unrealistic. -- Triacom (talk) 10:48, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

At this point a better question is who has the Swarmlord not lost to, a fight between it and an Avatar of Khaine would be awful to watch, each one trying to suck more than the other Malignant (talk) 12:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

You're all forgetting something very important here: none of the 30k armies were ever meant to be played against 40k armies. They are balanced against each other, and only each other. FW has said as much several times now, and now that they will be using entirely different rules from 40k it's even more of a moot point. Needless to say, this especially includes Horus himself. In any case, Tyranid fanboyism doesn't have a place on a completely unrelated article like this one, so can it.--Newerfag (talk) 15:50, 13 November 2017 (UTC)