Talk:Imperial Truth

(Although the Emprah withholding this knowledge from nearly everyone, including his own sons who are out on their own all over the galaxy, probably wasn't the best idea since knowing the enemy is the first step in fighting it.)

OR maybe he was smart enough to recognise that his sons couldn't be entirely trusted not to try and abuse the powers, like saaaaaay

MAGNUS - wanting more knowledge, making deals with daemons wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination

ANGRON - the butchers nails were killing him, they also meant the only way to escape pain and pretty much the only sense of bliss he could get was to kill.... nobody could save his life, well, nobody of the materium

FULGRIM - seeking perfection, c'mon, that's basically all you need to say

SANGUINIUS - if the Empz knew about the black rage and blood lust, he probably wouldn't put it past the Blood Angels (maybe not Sanguinius himself) to seek ANY way to escape this curse

HORUS - ... probably would've tried to nuke the immaterium for threatening Pops

LORGAR - you can pretty much tell where this one's going...

MORTARION - would've immediately called for the death of ALL psykers

I tend to think the Emprah knew the risks in EVERYTHING he did, he thought out every variable (like a BOSS) but in the end, knew he'd have to just roll the dice...

• At least a few of those assumptions are outright wrong. Pre-heresy Horus would never do anything his father hadn't ordered him to, and not only did Emos (apparently) know nothing about the Red thirst (Black Rage wasn't until after Sanguinius died), but when Sanguinius was openly offered the chance to cure the red thirst I'm exchange for serving Chaos he REFUSED. And Magnus had already made a deal with Tzeentch long before the Emperor even found him, so that point is irrelevant. Last, Angron never wanted to live after EMPs pulled him off Nuceria, he always considered himself cheated out of a death that was his by right. If anything, learning about his condition would just give him more reason to commit suicide by rushing an enemy army with no support so his death could still be honorable.

In short, you're giving the Emperor way too much credit here. Most of the Primarchs who fell would have at least has second thoughts about falling if they knew exactly what Chaos was. -Newerfag (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

On why the Emperor didn't tell his sons about the chaos gods.

So I changed the part on the main page about why the Emperor didn't make something up and say to everyone that these are evil alien beings made out of energy that you shouldn't fuck with, to give an idea of why doing that would be a bad idea. I'd say the main issue is that a lot of his sons are very overzealous in what they did during the Great Crusade, take Fulgrim for starters. When he encountered the Laer the Administratum were debating on whether or not the Laer should be made a protectorate of the Imperium, but Fulgrim immediately vetoed that idea and decided not only would all the Laer would die, but after he was told the war would take decades he said he'd be done in only a month and took it as a challenge. Give him a different challenge like "there's great alien beings in the place we travel through that will fuck you up if you try to fight them" and you have three guesses as to what will happen (and the first two don't count), even if everyone around him thinks it's a bad idea. I can see a number of other Primarchs also having bad ideas about something like that, seeing as how the Great Crusade was also meant to destroy those creatures instead of letting them roam around freely while it was ongoing, and maybe he could have told his sons this after the Great Crusade was over, and he wasn't trying to reunite humanity as fast as possible, as in his eyes telling his sons this would at minimum decrease morale and bring no lasting benefits (assuming he did not predict the Horus Heresy) whereas at most it would cause a drain of resources that could be used to bring other worlds into the Imperium's fold. -- Triacom (talk) 08:40, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Science

Magnus said that the Warp is just another type of knowledge to be used. The Warp, in turn, made him its bitch. Even ignoring that, there is nothing "possible, observable, and repeatable" when it comes to the Warp (before Mortarion fell to Chaos he believed this and attempted to put it into practice, which got him fucked up by a Daemon he wanted to interrogate), and many other things in 40k. It's well, chaotic, the hate, anger and madness of uncountable beings in the Galaxy. There is nothing rational about the emotional refuse of sentience, and trying to apply scientific principles to them is a waste of time at the absolute best.

And what about Warp engine, Gellar Field, Psy-cannon and tons of other Warp-related scientific creations?

It's made very clear that almost everything fueled by or "resistant" to the Warp that's created by anyone but the Necrons is anything but consistent. It's not like a Warp drive enables a Navigator to magically navigate the Warp with efficiency - it just allows them to enter the Warp without going to a Storm. Similarly, Gellar Fields seem to fail a little too often. --Kracked Mynd (talk) 17:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC) edit: For any other examples, just think, "Is what the Dark Mechanicum makes stable?" If the answer is no (which it is), you have your answer.

And now we have the Gellarpox as well, which explicitly preys upon Geller Fields. Honestly, it's surprising that Chaos didn't find a way around them sooner. As for Warp Engines, DAoT human technology is so stupidly advanced it's got no real equivalents in the setting as it is now. --Newerfag (talk) 01:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)