Talk:Interex

I know the Interex beginning to find out about the imperium denying demons came up. I am just saying that between remembrancers, and Iterators I think it should have come up sooner in the interactions. --99.160.166.8 04:22, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Who started the war after Erebus blew the museum up? Did the Interex give the Imperials a chance to explain and negotiate? Pilgrim of Terra (talk) 12:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The Interex was out for blood after the explosion, believing the Space Marines to have fallen to Chaos already. Both Horus and Loken made attempts at defusing the situation, but neither side listened. After evacuating their big honcho, the Sons of Horus were kinda pissed off the Interex tried to assassinate their Primarch (they had no idea of Erebus' involvement) and struck back with the most extreme of prejudice.

In regards to the page edit

We have to edit in Erebus’ involvement in the Interex war. Also, it is not actually confirmed the Interex were truly destroyed; the book implying such was timeline flawed.

The section about the flaws of the Interex was removed because: "Conjecture at best, if it was that weak it would've been wiped out long before the Imperium showed up".

So for a start, the bit being called conjecture by Newerfag is a reply to a large section of conjecture above and below, so I don't see being conjecture as a valid reason for removal.

Secondly, maybe it didn't get wiped out before the Imperium showed up simply because the Orks, Crons, Dark Eldar, Tyranids etc. hadn't reached their planet yet, and the Imperium just got there first. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't be wiped out later on down the line when the xenos DO happen reach them. If the Imperium can kill them so easily as a footnote in history, there's no reason the xenos factions couldn't do the same.

Therefore, it's worth keeping the flaw section. --118.209.5.89 08:10, 4 February 2018 (UTC)--

The Imperium has plot armor, and the Interex didn't. That's the only reason why they were so quickly defeated. Besides, that section undermined the whole point of the article.--Newerfag (talk) 16:42, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

It's not plot armor at all that an enormous, militaristic empire entirely geared for warfare defeated a society that, canonically, "downgraded its technology, eliminated space tech and scaled the population down to one planet" and "The technology and science of the Interex was not as strongly focused on the waging of war." The "point" of the article is simply to denote the existence of the Interex and how they interacted with the Imperium. Anything else is extra. The entire section about the Interex maybe doing a better job than the Imperium is non-canon guessing, and if you can permit that when it's not the "point" of this article, you can tolerate an argument for the other side. Oh and btw, the Interex had obviously downgraded their military capabilities since defeating the Megarachnids.--118.209.5.89 03:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I note that they didn't discuss their military ability anywhere in the book until after hostilities broke out simply because they didn't have a need to wave their army around everywhere or pick unnecessary fights. They easily had the potential to exterminate them, but simply chose not to because they were no longer a threat. Now, with all due respect: shut up and let the people who know what they're talking about do their work.--Newerfag (talk) 05:38, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

"They easily had the potential to exterminate them". Following the defeat of the Megarachnids, they downgraded their military and took technological focus off war, as this very article states, which left them open to a royal assfucking by a single legion of the Marines, and they became a footnote of Imperial history. The last page of Horus Rising calls them "marginal", easily overcame. If they died that easily, again, it stands to reason they would die easily to xenos. With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about at all; your arguments make absolutely zero sense relative to the source material, so how about you stop acting like you're some kind of defining authority on what belongs on the wiki?--118.209.5.89 06:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Marginal for the Imperium, dummy. And need I remind you that a basic crossbow for them could still kill a Space Marine (and that nowhere did they say they ever downgraded their own military tech as you seem to believe)? And that if they were so "marginal", Horus wouldn't have even bothered negotiating? On top of that, what are the odds of neither the Orks, the DE, or any of the dozens of other hostile xenos (never mind the necrons or Tyranids, who were asleep and not in the galaxy, respectively) never encountering the Interex over the period it has existed and doing what they do best? Thats an assumption a dozen times more far-fetched than what's on this page now, and one you obstinately refuse to question.--Newerfag (talk) 14:56, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Given the many, many other human planets encountered by the great crusade that weren't being constantly besieged by orks, DE, or other hostile xenos, I'd put the interex's odds of having the same good fortune as somewhere in the range of "totally possible". --Battlegrinder

Possible, yes. Probable, highly unlikely, especially when you remember how many Orks there are, and that's not even mentioning all the other nameless xenos races only mentioned offhand. Even then, there's the fact that if those xenos were successful, those human planets would have been devastated, enslaved, or simply destroyed. --Newerfag (talk) 20:37, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

So I feel the need to weigh in on this given the edit I've done to the page. I'd hope we can both agree on the following: If the Interex were besieged by a small force, ie one terrorizing the planets the Imperium was conquering but that hadn't for some reason wiped out the humans on those planets, the Interex would quite easily defeat them given their advanced technology, and despite their relatively small military. This alone puts them in an area where they're safe from a majority of threats the Great Crusade encountered, a lot of whom seemed to be bound to single planets or even just a close cluster (going of references of xenos the Great Crusade encountered). Even if they got hit by a smaller WAAAGH! They should be just fine. I'm not trying to portray them as weak by any means, but even at their strength it's not really a surprise to me when they got wiped out by the Imperium, considering they were fighting things like the Ullanor Crusade, and I'd also hope that we can agree that if the Interex were fighting enemies on that scale, that things probably wouldn't go so well for them. Seeing as how that ended with an overwhelming Imperial victory I don't see it as a shock when the Interex get taken out so easily, especially when we don't even know how the Imperials did it. A planetary bombardment after winning a space battle would eliminate a lot of the fighting they'd otherwise have to do on the ground and could cripple their command and military structures (that being more the Alpha Legion's thing though), but we really don't know. -- Triacom (talk) 07:49, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

In regards to the latest edit.

So I feel the need to explain this edit. Firstly I'm removing the sections on both the Imperial Truth and the Imperial Cult being useless as they're both wrong. While neither of them necessarily stopped Daemons from appearing, their point was never to directly fight against Chaos as the article suggests. In the first case it was to try and prevent people from falling to something which they knew about, as it was much easier to deny everything during the time they were conquering the galaxy as opposed to policing every single planet after they had conquered it. That would have slowed down the Great Crusade immensely and I'm quite certain it would've lead to far more daemonic outbreaks, as we would be left with the following scenario:

"Hey you belong to the Imperium now. We've crushed your military, destroyed your infrastructure and are in the process of rebuilding your world and restructuring your government to fit out image. By the way, there's a lot of evil daemons that are quite easy to summon if you listen to the voices and they'll try to kill us, so please don't do that."

To that end the Imperial Truth or the Imperial Cult are really the only way to go about conquering the galaxy, unless for whatever reason you wanted the disgruntled citizens of newly-captured worlds, some of which had barely any Astartes on them at all to keep their allegiance to the Imperium, to start summoning Daemons to kill their conquerors in an attempt to reclaim their world, which leads to the Imperium needing to conquer it again (however this time it has a ton of Chaos corruption too). Great job.

The next bit I'm removing is the bit about Imperials falling to Chaos out of ignorance. Does it happen a lot? Absolutely. Does educating them about it prevent it from happening? Fuck no. Radical Inquisitors in the setting are some of the most knowledgeable people on Chaos (to the point that a Radical Inquisitor Lord actually stopped a Slaanesh Daemon invasion by using a Khorne Daemon invasion, getting the two to wipe out each other then mopping up the remains) and they fall to Chaos all the time. Some of them even promote and help grow their own Chaos cults, regardless of their reasons, Inquisitor Quixos is quite infamous for that one. In fact, Quixos in particular advocated for the capture and study of Chaos artifacts, I wonder what other society did that and had it bite them in the ass... In any case, even those in the Imperium who were warned many, many times or who actually knew what Daemons were, those being Magnus and Mortarion respectively, both of whom eventually practiced sorcery (with Mortarion also treating Chaos as a science before traveling with Typhus, that sure worked out didn't it?) still fell to Chaos, because just knowing about it doesn't prevent you from falling to it.

The next part I'm removing is the whole "Interex might have led the unification of humanity" bit. The Interex were a very small group in comparison to something like the Imperium or even the smaller Necron Dynasties. Hell, Orks build bigger empires. The more people you bring in the better chance you have of finding radicals in the group, no matter how good your intentions were and this is easily observable in the real world, especially with our current political climate. Spread this over a few planets, and especially a few solar systems and you're going to notice something going wrong eventually. Unfortunately the Interex didn't have a fall-back plan in case things went tits-up other than "shoot the enemy and hope he isn't stronger than you are", which led to the entire faction being completely crushed. Also despite knowing about Chaos they still grew complacent and didn't plan for what would happen if outside Chaos agents decided to do something about them.

Next I'm changing is the bit about their militarization. Given the types of enemies the Imperium fought at the time, if the Interex encountered a sizable Ork empire they would've been completely and totally fucked, end of story. It's a legit point and the final reason they're but a footnote as far as galactic history goes. They're so unprepared for things going wrong that I'm willing to bet if a Daemon invasion actually happened on one of their worlds, they'd have no plan left but to abandon it.

Finally I'm changing the last section to better flow with the page. -- Triacom (talk) 07:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)