Talk:Krieg
I don't give a fuck about HFY but that shit is poorly written. Might as well come back to the 5th edition and DOW memes, do you want that ?
"(cur | prev) 11:31, 16 July 2018 2a01:cb15:140:9200:3c4a:9b50:840e:414e (talk) . . (3,418 bytes) (-1,688) . . (Undo revision 506495 by SaltyMan (talk)go put that HFY elsewhere) (undo)"
You are a fucking liar and a hypocrite. First you said you hated HFY now you make excuses about being poorly written. --SaltyMan (talk) 07:51, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
You might want to change your usename to tantrumchild.
And this text is still bad, the imperium isn't some "le ebin spess empire who never give up".
Krieg's Rebellion instigators[edit]
This is from the Krieg article here: "Imagine the populists, the weak, the effete, the degenerate wanting to be free of the Imperium, decrying its autocracy. And they are winning. You have hordes of short-sighted, dumb billions telling you that you are an evil tyrant and have got to go. The rebelling leaders smile, either corrupt or too stupid to realize Chaos will make a buffet out of the planet or some blueberry communist asshat takes over.
What do you do? Do you give up to the hordes waiting outside that will likely imprison or execute you for "being an evil tyrant", who think they know better? Those so-called 99% think they are the righteous ones, foolishly believing rebelling will make the evil wars go away and everyone will live in a retarded Hippyland. Do you surrender like Germans after Hitler finally did to himself what he should have done years ago? "
It sounds like the writer here was trying to celebrate the grim darkness of the 40k setting by using Krieg as an example of how loyalists of the dictatorial tyrannical Imperium wasn't going to take any shit from the populists, weak, degenerate. and the effete. While such examples did exist in the fluff in some cases (mostly older ones. I recall one fluff story about a planet "succumbing to the evils of democracy", but I think that one was so old it was when the grimdark was super parody and wasn't even established yet that some planetary governments actually ARE democracies and that's fine as long as the planet still declares itself subordinate to the Imperium) but in the case of Krieg, wasn't it the other way around? Even the article itself at the beginning says it was the other way around as do the Warhammer 40k wikis, saying the rebellion was against the Imperium was started by the planetary governor and the autocrats (Autocrat means "one who has undisputed influence or power", so the guys starting this rebellion weren't democratically elected populists). It was actually the civilians (IE, the populists, weak, effete, etc) that remained loyal to the Imperium.
Of course, the most famous loyalist, Colonel Jurten, who decided to nuke everything was outside of that structure. Colonel Jurten at the time was an Imperial Guard colonel, and thus outside the political structure of nobility, peasant, and civilian. So he too didn't have anything to do with "Damn these populists! They need to know their place! Nuke them all!" but instead was just a military commander doing military things like a soldier is supposed to do. The opinion piece in this article makes things out as if this was a political thing of those stupid populists not knowing their place and being rightfully nuked for it, but in fact it was the nobility that rebelled and the ones who tried to keep things together for the imperium were a mix of civilians and non-political military (not even planetary defense forces. It's Imperial Guard, who are supposed to be more concerned with the galaxy at large instead of planetary politics)
This wasn't a case of poor civilians rebelling against a tyrannical Hitler Imperium and Hitler putting those so called foolish "righteous" in their place and nuking them as the price of their stupidity and fall to chaos. This was a case of greedy nobles trying to take more for themselves instead of being loyal to the Imperium, and the poor civilians as well as the Imperium's military nuked them (as a last resort). If anything, it's a classical example of the good guys winning over the greedy evil selfish tyrannical (autocrat) guys, rather than a celebration of protagonist Hitler putting down those stupid uppity righteous civilians like this opinion piece seems to claim Krieg was.
In the end, the opinion piece ends with "This is why Krieg is awesome, an example of unflinching, uncompromising spite, a monument of the AUTOCRACY of the State, which was Warhammer 40000's schtick from the beginning." (emphasis mine) but again, it was the AUTOCRATS who instigated the rebellion for their own selfish reasons and the "uncompromising spite" was instead that of the civilians (and the unaffiliated military) who refused to let those selfish autocrats have the planet.
TiamatRoar 17:46, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
