Talk:Lamentations of the Flame Princess

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This sound hilarious, but I think the article would sorely benefit from including examples of the module's transgressions. What are these deplorable DM practices? What makes it evident the creator is so smug and unlikable?

I would like to rewrite this one a bit. While James Raggi the Turd is a thoroughly unlikeable individual whom I would power bomb if he ever tried to DM for me, I still think that LOTFP is a pretty solid game with some well written(if harsh) modules. No worries about me whitewashing his douchebaggery but I think the game itself shouldn't be tainted by his actions.-- 20:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Go on ahead. If it makes the article better, do it. Just be sure to note where his character does have an influence on the game, though. --Newerfag (talk) 21:25, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
As the original creator, likewise. I believe my original write-up even said something to that effect, that it would be a perfectly fine retroclone if not for the fact that his tone seeps into it. I don't have much experience with it, so knock yourself out. --SpectralTime (talk) 01:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Original Creator's Response[edit]

After finding this page getting called out by name repeatedly in the State of the 1d4chan topic... you know what? I side with the majority opinion in this case. You wanna "fix" it, knock yourselves out. It's not like people are running around reverting all your edits whenever someone tries, because no one has. I may not be a balls-deep expert or an old-school grognard, but I read some modules, tried to run some games, and ultimately had the same complaints that I kept hearing from my group. So I stopped playing the game and made an article about it. Because that's how wikis work. I sincerely apologize if I've peed on your favorite parade, but I stand by my experiences. --SpectralTime (talk) 16:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Did some formatting bullshit, added pictures[edit]

I know that this is a joke wiki, but would anyone else like to do some more depths on stuff like Veins of the Earth and the like?

Supplement Pages?[edit]

Since every single "adventure" now has its own page, and one of the Supplements (A Red and Pleasant Land) does, could we maybe get pages for the other supplements? I am morbidly curious about Veins of the Earth, Frostbitten and Mutilated, and World of the Lost, but not enough to give this jerkwad any of my precious moneys.--QuietBrowser (talk) 22:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Not all of them. On that note, can someone go over the one I made? It was nauseating enough looking through the thing the first time but I want to be sure nothing was fucked up. --Newerfag (talk) 04:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
To me it's really weird that his best work (at least that I've read) is "Better Than Any Man". I read that one when it was first released, mainly because I was curious and it's a free PDF (and I legit mean that, he released it for nothing) and that one actually reads like a legitimate module that's full of fun ideas for a DM to use. It's still got some bullshit, but nothing that crosses the line for me personally, at least as far as mechanics go, some of his suggestions for... "extra activities" are a different discussion. It also lacks a win condition (once enough time's passed, you get a game over unless you've left by then, or do something that you shouldn't have the levels to do yet). I'm not sure why Raggi stopped making them like that, maybe his group had too much fun playing it so he decided to save us from those experiences. -- Triacom (talk) 12:20, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Man do I regret trying to figure out which one you meant. If I wasn't already violently angry, I'dve been violently sick instead. --LGX-000 (talk) 07:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Raggis is the kind of person that just disgusts me, the kind who thinks that if things aren't going their way, something's gone wrong. He's the kind that doesn't care if their group's having fun, the only thing that matters is if he's having fun, and he thinks the best way to have fun is to have it at the expense of the other players, rather than craft something that requires them to think and be engaged and hopefully triumph at the end of it. He's That Guy and his writing makes it very clear he'd rather other DM's be like him as well. -- Triacom (talk) 07:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
That's not even the worst thing, all of that is perfectly obvious. Just the absurd amount of effort he puts into this fucking control freak horseshit is disgusting, in a way only beaten by the actual borderline-guro/cannibalism fixation. --LGX-000 (talk) 07:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
That's exactly what I'm getting at with the whole bit about how he's the only one allowed to enjoy the game. What's sad is his system itself is actually really solid and well designed, if he didn't make those modules or if he didn't come out as a whiny bitch any time any other player tried to have fun (there's countless notes of his saying you should kill their character for that) his game system would be taken a whole lot more seriously. He didn't so much shoot himself in the foot as saw his entire leg off then claim that other people were in the wrong when they didn't want to follow his example. Being so open about his fucked up fetishes doesn't help either. -- Triacom (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
If I can find them somewhere online I might make those, and I don't see why we couldn't have those pages. -- Triacom (talk) 22:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who takes time to write those pages. I always read them with great interest. Beyond the Raggi part, there's a lot of fun stuff to salvage. If someone could do Vornheim, that would be excellent. --Eldy (talk) 12:28, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

What the fuck[edit]

What the fuck is this page? I was scouting around looking for new RPG systems and ended up here only to read a slew of insults and character attacks about the author. None of this shit even qualifies any part of anything it's complaining about, it's just pure vitriolic nonsense as if whoever wrote it got their dog killed by the author. Anyone care to explain me what the fuck is up with that?

shrug I can only say that the creator's writing style, attitude, and the personality he presents in personal digressions in his work have made him few friends and many enemies. And besides, you new here? Lot of pages are just personal attacks at creators. I stopped looking at Matt Ward's long ago. Also, 's polite to sign your post with two dashes and four tildes. --SpectralTime (talk) 04:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
The guy who made it is a pretentious asshole who bases nearly every module he writes around torturing the other players so that he can laugh at them when they fail. Seriously, read some of his modules, this is the kind of guy who literally wrote an adventure where the reward for solving a puzzle was to instantly kill the player who solved it, no saves of any kind allowed and all of their gear and items are also destroyed in the process. That was also one of his "nicer" adventures too, the others feature stuff like bitching about people who don't like to hear gore described in copious detail, which is important because he also made a sex-addicted cannibalistic orgy group that literally eats babies, and he tries to justify them. -- Triacom (talk) 08:59, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Details about the actual system[edit]

I feel like we could add more details about the actual system (as opposed to the modules and adventures), because it is interesting too. Especially the way Thief skills are handled. --Eldy (talk) 11:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Go right ahead if you want, I agree that the core system's pretty interesting, and if the guy who made it wasn't such an asshole it would probably be fondly remembered. -- Triacom (talk) 18:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)