Talk:List of D&D PC Races

Alright, I've been over every book in my personal collection, and used the Dragon Magazine Index on http://www.aeolia.net/dragondex/ as back-up reference, but I know this isn't done yet. I came into D&D pretty late, so I can't really tell the difference between Basic, 1e and 2e for one big issue. For another, I'm not sure of what 2e and 1e settings there are beyond the ones I listed. Finally, the only Scarred Lands sourcebook I found some races in was the Termana Gazetteer, so I'm positive it's incomplete.

Still... hopefully, this'll at least be a basic start for other anons to further develop this page.--QuietBrowser (talk) 02:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I applaud the effort, but I feel there's a huge overlap with this page when it comes to the 3e stuff: Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition races. How are we going to handle that? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 14:00, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunately, I didn't know about that page when I started this. Maybe there's some way we can merge the two? There's some on that page I missed, and others on this page I missed. I don't know... really open to discussion; this is some work I'm proud of, and I'd love to see it made more useful for the /tg/ crowd.--QuietBrowser (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Template Basis?

So, yeah, I have no real clue how the templates mechanics for 14chan actually work, but AssistantWikifag suggested that maybe this could be used to provide a basis for D&D race-list templates, perhaps? I don't know, I'm out of my depth there.--QuietBrowser (talk) 00:31, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

How do you define a race?

So, whilst I tried to stick to straight up races, I will admit that there's a couple of racial templates and racial classes that've made their way onto this page. My question is, should such things be allowed here? After all, in 3e, templates meant that you could effectively take all manner of templates that had racial connotations, such as various kinds of undead, half-fiend, half-dragon, etc. The thing is, if we add racial templates, this page is going to get even bigger.--QuietBrowser (talk) 00:33, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi! You've done an awesome job so far and I keep going back to this page as a reference. Now, with 3E's monster classes in Savage Species, I see these as mechanically similar to the old races-as-classes D&D used to have. I see no reason not to include these. I'd probably draw the line at monster templates which are generally intended for DMs to apply to monsters, though they occasionally have been given to PCs. That might be worth visiting sometime if it hasn't been already. --Bpinalone (talk) 03:10, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Pathfinder Entries

So, whilst I don't argue that Pathfinder's picked up enough races over... what is it, a corebook, two PC racial splatbooks, 110+ adventure paths and 6 bestiaries to warrant a similar Big List o' Races, do folks think that such a list should be here (given PF is basically "D&D 3.75"), or should it be splintered off into its own page, given PF is a different company and marketed as a different game to D&D?--QuietBrowser (talk) 00:35, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

PF is closely connected enough where you could justify adding a link on the bottom to Path/Starfinder-specific races, but I'd probably keep those on a separate page.--Bpinalone (talk) 03:12, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

This page vs. the D&D 3e Races Page

So, it was brought up earlier that the existence of the Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition races page kind of leads to a clash with this page's tackling of the 3e races. Can we try and pull together and figure out what to do with the older page? Especially since there's this one anon who keeps shilling it as the repository for all the potential PC statblocks of that edition instead of working those stats into each individual monster/race's article page and using it like an index, which is what this article has been doing.--QuietBrowser (talk) 03:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Third Party Material

Should we be including 3rd party races into a list that, by a simple understanding, should deal only with D&D races that are canon part of that game's various editions? If we're tossing in 3rd party material not only for D&D but other systems (albeit games that are similar to/spun off of the game) then I think it would create a slippery slope to include ALL 3rd party races, even the more esoteric and weird ones that really do not warrant admission to the wiki. --Konrad13 (talk) 06:08, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Split it. List of Third Party D&D PC Races. --Agiletek (talk) 06:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

That's certainly fair. And I'd argue it's appropriate to split all of the Pathfinder races (for 1e, 2e and Starfinder) off into their own separate page as well. Only question: what do we do with Dragon Magazine races? Do they count as Official or 3rd Party?--QuietBrowser (talk) 06:37, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

A question as old as 3e Dungeon/Dragon I'm afraid. I'd say not split them off since 1: WotC still owns the stuff itself, and most of the printed stuff was updates of older things 2: Most of the concern on if Dragon stuff is first party or not comes from the fact that its editorial standards were often extremely poor, allowing shit that was broken in the sense of being non-functional, poorly balanced, and/or really ugly design (Mystic Ranger gaining Cleric casting progression but just stopping at 5th level spells comes to mind, since any rational designer would have used Adept's progression) than a strict issue with it not being WotC. The one bit of consensus we have is that Dragon Compendium and Shackled City Adventure Path are absolutely first party. --Agiletek (talk) 07:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)