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This page is for talking about the wiki as a whole, since it seems we don't know how to use the other pages meant for the purpose.

Old conversations have been moved aside to keep this page less cluttered:

Difference between the Monsters category and the Races category?[edit]

We've got a category for both monsters and races, but the two kinda overlap in my eyes. Any ideas on how to make them different from one another?

  • I think the screw up is mine for putting neogi under the "races" tab in the first place, personally. In general, I'd say that "races" are playable and "monsters" aren't. Or possibly, in Pathfinder terms, that "races" are defined by their class levels without getting racial hit dice and "monsters" aren't. One of the two --SpectralTime (talk) 18:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
    • I've been thinking about that for a bit now, it's not all on that single article. But it's a good idea: Races are playable, Monsters are not. Anyone else got ideas for this? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 19:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
      • I would suggest that the "Races" category are for groups of creatures of near human intelligence or higher while "Monsters" would be more feral creatures YerManOverThere (talk)09:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Writefaggotry[edit]

If any Writefags would be willing to tell me exactly how you submit fanfiction it would be much apreciated!

Best regards;

YerManOverThere 08:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

That's a very simple process, typically what you do is post it on /tg/, and if it gets positive results there then it's welcome on this wiki. If you're unsure about how to best present it, then I'd recommend looking up the archived threads of previous stories, either on the archive itself or by using this wiki's pics of archived threads that are normally attached to the regular stories. The only other way you can get it on this wiki is if you post it elsewhere and people on /tg/ start talking about it in a positive way, either way you need to go through /tg/. -- Triacom (talk) 08:43, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Updating for 8th Edition[edit]

Now that Warhammer 40,000 8th edition is rolling around we have the HERCULEAN task ahead of us to rewrite... well, pretty much every 40k page with stats on them. Question: are we going to do that right away, or are we going to wait until we have "true" 8th edition codexes? Or are we going to do something else? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 11:18, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Based on how radically different 8th is to everything that came before (I don't care what Triacom says, if you actually read the damn datasheets it's much closer to Age of Sigmar than any prior edition of 40k) and the fact that many people will be sticking with 7th for a while, I'd say we treat it as a separate gameline, the same way we separate Fantasy, 40k, and AoS. OriginalPrankster (talk) 15:51, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I'll agree with the idea of making it a separate topic on their main pages, though personally I'm waiting until after they come out with the full rules just to make sure we don't miss anything. -- Triacom (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Glad i saw this, but i am going to start re-writing Tactica (to begin with) from this day until i'm done with Chaos and Tyranids. I think it's better to start little by little, so that we establish a framework, and then when the "real" codices come out, we'll just update the existing articles, if we've missed something. It's gonna take a while, but it's better if we start as soon as possible :) -- The Awkward Man 10th august 2017
  • I think archiving the old 7th Ed Tactica and creating the new Tactica pages first, before anything else, is the most sensible idea. I hesitate to section off 8th Edition into its own little box just because it looks and plays a bit too much like Age of Sigmar for people's liking. That just seems cruel and unfair, 8th Edition is still Warhammer 40,000. If we were to start sectioning off chunks of "rules canon" like we very nearly do for "fluff canon", we will inevitably end up defaulting the entire wiki to Rogue Trader rules.

They're back[edit]

Spambots are now coming back in force, how're we going to stem the tide, this time? It seems that they're creating automated account now, should we put a captcha to keep them out? Tactical Mehren (talk) 12:18, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Don't we already have one? I told you guys it needed more than two questions to be effective. --Newerfag (talk) 15:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I was wondering why we only had two questions after the last outbreak. Tactical Mehren (talk) 16:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
The old scrambled-text captcha was more trouble for us humans than it was for the spambots. The approach we've been using is to have some 40k trivia as the answer, as they're not common words in spambot guessing dictionaries (so there's no point in using more than a couple questions, and having more questions is more trouble for legitimate users). Of course, dictionaries get bigger over time. This has happened before, and thankfully GW has given us a whole bunch of pseudo-latin nonsense words for their factions of late, so hopefully it will take a little longer next time. Have any of you emailed Wikifag to get his attention more quickly? I'll send an email in a few minutes unless I hear otherwise. --AssistantWikifag (talk) 16:25, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Actually, I see he's blocking some as well, so he's on the case.
It might also be a good idea to implement some kind of autoconfirmation system, where only logged-in users with at least 5 (or so) edits can make pages. This would allow IP addresses and new users to contribute, but be another barrier against this kind of automated spam. --AssistantWikifag (talk) 16:35, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Having that apply to userpages might be a good idea as well in order to keep them from exploiting any loopholes. I've also seen them use their user talk pages to spam too. --Newerfag (talk) 16:36, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Nobody emailed me directly, but I do get the notifications (eventually) from comments on my talk page. Also, I got some bounce emails from the registered addresses on the spam accounts because they were watching the pages they'd made. Didn't realise until I came and had a proper look that the problem was this bad (I am presently at work).
Essentially this happens because some human person eventually looks at the Q/A set and programs the response into their bots. The size of your question set doesn't make much difference as to whether (or when) this eventually happens. Hilariously, I have had confused emails on more than one occasion from genuine human users who were unable to work out the answers to the most recent set. Hopefully the new question I've put in now won't confuse anyone.
AssistantWikifag is correct that the traditional garbled text captchas weren't that great on a user friendliness standpoint, and in most cases you get equal or better protection just by using simple question/answer captchas that are topical to your subject matter. Google's current captcha offering with the image recognition stuff seems it may be more robust and user-friendly now, so I may look into setting that up again when I get home this evening. I am however still traditionally opposed to mechanisms which require registering accounts or contribution history to earn the right to perform actions; captchas generally solve this problem perfectly well, occasional hiccups aside. --Wikifag (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Nevermind. Quick change on the questycaptcha didn't seem to be deterring them, so either my question was so pathetically easy even a robot could answer it or someone's actively targeting. Either way, ReCaptcha is back in effect now and should help prevent this sort of nonsense. Sorry for the inconvenience. --Wikifag (talk) 17:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Please do not use Google's "I am not a robot" captcha. It has been proven that Google uses it to track individual users for advertising purposes. It's also impossible to solve without disabling any anti-tracking addons (or similar precautions, like disabling JavaScript you have installed for that very reason. And even if you do spread your asscheeks and disable your Adblock/uBlock/Ghostery/etc. you'll get stuck with the max-difficulty hell captcha as a punishment for not allowing Google to keep an extensive dossier on you. It may not even help significantly, as humans are cheap where spammers usually operate and services exist to buy captcha solutions in bulk; the fact that the questycaptcha change didn't help at all suggests that they may be doing that already. I'd say we're better off enabling autoconfirmation so the bots/humans will fail to create a new page on the first try and either give up or get outed before they can do significant damage OriginalPrankster (talk) 17:08, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Fair point. Also it didn't work. I've changed the questions and set a time-based autoconfirm before allowing create rights. We'll give it a few days for them to realise they can't do shit and then tone it back down. Also enabled the Nuke extension to do that rapid cleanup; I think AssistantWikifag should be able to use it too, if I'm not around. Thanks to those who spent some of their time today trying to fight the spam.--Wikifag (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. If Google captcha didn't help at all then either there's a new exploit to break the captcha or the spam is human-assisted. Fucking sucks, man. Do you have some kind of IP-based blacklist feature? Dumping the StopForumSpam database into there might help if you haven't done so already. OriginalPrankster (talk) 01:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

-- Just noticed this and would gladly help if i only knew how? The Awkward Man 10th august 2017

What to do about the Awesome category[edit]

Currently, the Oldschool template is set up to categorize any page it's on under "Awesome". I find this problematic for a few reasons - we also categorize general things that are awesome under this same category, which means that Fist of the North Star is in the same category as literally everything relating to Squats. As much as I do find Squats awesome, I feel that having one category for two things defeats the purpose of having categories to begin with. Does the "Awesome" category mean things /tg/ thinks are cool, or things relating to old-school games? If it's the latter, why isn't it called "Old-School" or something? Furthermore, categorizing everything old-school under "Awesome" gives the impression that anything old is awesome by default, which is probably more hipster-ish than we want, and our own page on Old School Roleplaying presents a more nuanced view on the subject. I feel like it'd make a lot more sense to have the Oldschool template (and the Forces of the Squats one) categorize any tagged pages in a new "Old-School" category, and we can save "Awesome" for pages or topics that are simply considered awesome. What are people's thoughts? --Captain Lhurgoyf (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed.--Namefag (talk) 21:26, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

New page proposal: Imperium Bias Defeat Syndrome[edit]

During my discussion regarding the Swarmlord page with Malignant, I've distinctly identified a pattern in which none of the major xenos characters (e.g. Eldrad, Ghazghkull, Swarmlord) are able to win a significant victory against the Imperium, which I believe is due to GW's persistent favoritism regarding the Imperium in general and the Space Marines in particular. As I am interested in seeing how said favoritism has skewed the depictions of most of the non-Imperial characters a la Abbadon, would there be any major opposition to the creation of a page regarding what I've tentatively dubbed "Imperium Bias Defeat Syndrome"? --Newerfag (talk) 22:35, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

  • Does that need a whole page? We already have one for nearly every treebranch in 40k other than the non-Slaanesh Daemons. Seems more like a category for the Imperium and/or 40k pages. But then again that's just my opinion. --Thannak (talk) 22:41, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
    • I thought about that, but feared it might offend Imperium fans reading the page. --Newerfag (talk) 00:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)