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Kill Your Darlings[edit]

This article is a fucking mess of people wanting to preserve their favourite rants. We know that Ward was stuck on the front of every shitty, lowest common denominator pandering codex out there and didn't write half the awful bullshit. But we aren't going to change it because we all want to keep our bits in. Fucks sake.


Newcrons[edit]

"...took the Pariahs away from the Necrons (although, arguably, that was for the best; many people like the Newcrons, which weren't 100% compatible with Pariahs)."

Could somebody explain how this could possibly be true please. I liked the Pariahs and the idea of Necron origins.

Ah, I see. I'm not sure who wrote that (it might have been me), but I'm pretty sure it means that most people ended up liking the Newcrons, even though they had to do away with Pariahs (although not really) to do so. I'll fix it up quick to make it clearer. Dok (talk) 10:08, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Oops, looks like somebody already did. Dok (talk) 10:10, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Also Pariahs are still canon at least somewhat, since Hammer & Anvil has a human-Necron hybrid, she wasn't finished so lacked the "scary parts".

Ward's Fate[edit]

I've had a look through Mat Ward's history and wondered, given his early mistakes, why didn't Games Workshop fire him or limit his influence? He apparently unbalanced all three of their game systems (Fantasy, 40K and LoTR), his writing skills are sub-par and he angered much of their fanbase, yet they keep trusting him with writing for their games. I know he's recently been improving slightly, but I don't understand why GW kept him around after those mistakes. They had no way of knowing whether he'd improve or not. It feels like Games Workshop is protecting Mat Ward, and I want to know why. Is he related to one the people who created Games Workshop (such as Ian Livingstone)? Is he married to the chairman's daughter? Anyone got thoughts on this?

  • The answer is obvious- they never gave a shit about balance and they view the fluff as little more than a means to getting more people to buy their products. And if you honestly expected quality out of ANYTHING GW does, you are optimistic to the point of delusion. It's far more likely that they keep him and the rest of their writing staff because hiring someone better is too expensive for them.

And Ian gave up his part in the company a long time ago.--Newerfag (talk) 04:28, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Because his armies sell. As tyranids have shown a weak army hurts gw more than an op army with bad lore. Grey knights Blood Angels and necrons are great starter armies thanks to being cheap due to low model number, ease of paint and being strong are forgiving of mistakes. Plus new players don't care if his fluff is different form older lore since its all new to them.

  • Exactly. Daemonhunters was a very poorly-selling Codex that never appeared in tournaments and was basically only played by a few bitter, old neckbeards. When Ward rewrote the Codex, changing all the fluff and making it fairly overpowered, it became one of the most popular armies in the game, at least for a few months, which seemed especially strong amongst new players. Dok (talk) 10:22, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Though GW seems to be giving their better writers the shaft these days, while giving the crappy ones free reign (compare how many 8th edition Fantasy books Phil and Jeremy have worked on to how many Robin and Matt have worked on). I know GW's a heartless, money-grubbing corporation, but shafting the good writers they have doesn't sound like a good idea to draw customers.
  • Phil isn't a good codex writer, sure he's good in the lore but the rules? Its mono-build or kinda weak. The only codex still good is Eldar and he ADMITTED Ward helped him on the rules (or at least gave him the ideal for battle focus).
  • That's what I'm saying. They're trusting Ward with more of the lore than they trust Kelly with; and when it comes to the lore, you just said Kelly' the better author (and I agree). So why are they doing that?
    • You have to realize that GW views the fluff as a means to an end rather than a something with its own inherent worth; for all GW cares, the fluff could be actual gibberish as long as it pushes people to buy more models. On top of that, making a new unit OP means people will be more likely to buy it, no matter how stupid it looks (e.g the Dreadknight). And you have to understand they don't care about getting good writers or even decent ones- why else would their most accomplished writer be a man who has spent nearly all of his career writing for comic books (which are not exactly renowned for their literary merits)?

If GW ever does choose to replace him, they'll just reassign him to writing for Black Library, just like they did with Gav Thorpe and Graham McNeill. And before you ask why they would do that, remember that they had no problem with allowing C.S. Goto to write for them until he stopped getting sales for them- they aren't exactly aiming to make the next great sci-fi novel here.--Newerfag (talk) 15:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Desexualising Warhammer[edit]

  • There's a recurring theme that Games Workshop is trying to make Warhammer more kid-friendly (despite the fact that the setting revolves around war and is full or cannibalism, daemons and black magic to name a few). After reading the Dark Elf entry, I saw that the fluff implying Morathi and Malekith have sex (despite being mother and son) has been removed. I wonder; if they removed that, why were the Warriors of Chaos allowed to still keep Sigvald inbred? (his parents were brother and sister). Why get rid of one but keep the other?
    • It was never fully stated they have sex just implied.--D715 (talk)
    • Yes, but that still begs the question; why did Games Workshop get rid of the implied incest between Morathi and Malekith but kept the confirmed incest with Sigvald? Sigvald was, and I quote from the Warriors of Chaos army book; "...born from the union of the warlord and his own sister..."
    • Possibly because that's his whole schtick? For Malekith/Morathi, it's an unimportant (and, frankly, uninteresting) side detail, whereas for Sigvald, well... it's kinda the whole reason he exists, and, more importantly, the reason Slaanesh him/her/itself exists. Then again, they did get rid of the old Daemonettes... Dok (talk)
    • Not to sound like a pervert, but does that mean they'll be desexualizing Slannesh? I know that they're trying to market the game more to children now, but maybe trying to make Warhammer completely kid-friendly and market it to them isn't a good idea. Next they'll be taking diseases away from Nurgle or magic away from Tzeentch (wait, they've started to do the second. Damnit!)
    • Slannesh isn't the chaos god of sex, Slannesh is the god of excess. You can worship him/her/whatever by many other things, while Nurgle is all disease all the time. Also Morathi doesn't worship Slannesh anymore just the Elf god version of Slannesh.
    • They got rid of "Morathi secretly worships Slaanesh" too!? Come on! She founded the Cult of Pleasure in Ulthuan (back when Bel-Shanar was Phoenix King), so she'd have to have been a Slaanesh worshipper then. Games Workshop's writing strikes again (at least Blizzard pretends to be sorry when they mess up fluff). Do you think that Slaanesh would be fine with one of his/her/its worshippers turning their back on him/her/it? Okay, the Time of Legends books don't mention Slaanesh, but Morathi did work with daemons, so the Slaanesh stuff wasn't denied either.
    • I have to reread the book but yeah she worships Asharti now but that may be a front or something. Plus WF gods are kinda still parts of the Chaos gods I believe so Asharti is Slaanesh.
  • Then we all know who Khaine is lol... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
    • I know this discussion is probably dead... but... is it just me or does the lord of end times, the man with all the marks of the gods of chaos Archaon ride a beast which has a head representing every chaos god except for Slaanesh?
    • No idea how old this recent post here was but Slaanesh disappeared from AoS, I've forgotten why. Horned Rat replaced him/her. Tyranid Memestealer (talk) 21:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Why Misogyny?[edit]

Apart from the argument over the Khornate Knights incident, what proof is there that Matt Ward is a misogynist? After having a read of the Matt Ward page and the Khornate Knight page, there doesn't seem to be much. Also, for any answers, please no whiteknighting or trolling.

That is the proof. As far as I can tell it's just the byproduct of lack of details leading to some unfortunate implications.--Newerfag (talk) 06:59, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
*Okay then, thank you.

The Truth!?!?[edit]

There is none.

also misogyny[edit]

i have added an alternative view point to this section which i believe to be valid. as mentioned in the article, entire races and factions are routinely wiped out in the fluff (ultramarines 1st company, ilyanden and other craft worlds, Ig, orks and others have been wiped out by nids alone). the only difference between the SBs and those factions is the gender of the SBs. I do not here people complaining about IG SM or eldar getting owned in the fluff but for some reason there is a huge outcry for the SBs? that is classic whiteknighting. At the very least, both views should be presented instead of censoring one view.

Perhaps Newerfag would like to offer an arguement as to why that is not a legitimate criticism of the "misogyny" section? or perhaps you could use this page to explain why you delete my edit as per the rules?

It seemed to me that it was meant more as an insult with the implication that everyone who had a problem with it was just trying to pick up chicks, and none of the factions you listed were wiped out by their own allies.--Newerfag (talk) 15:36, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • If this anon may add to the above, it could also be a case of anthropocentrism for those who are upset by it. Plenty of Eldar (including, Exodite, Harlequin and Dark Eldar) women in 40K, and Elven women in Fantasy have died in the fluff, but no one makes a big fuss about that.

For anyone curious what this was about, hit the expand button. -- Triacom (talk) 3:53, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Then the Cries of Misogyny...[edit]

Many of Ward's detractors like to paint him as a Misogynist to make him seem worse, this started with an event called "The Bloodtide" see Khornate Knights, but let's break it down: misogyny is defined as an irrational or pathological dislike of women, there is in that definition alone four points for us to try to puzzle this one out:

  • For the fa/tg/uys to whom Bloodtide is misogyny it is fairly obvious, that their deaths were the direct result of an irrational act of contempt for women or misogyny by Matt "bane of /tg/'s existence" Ward. It could have been any Imperial force, but he deliberately chose it to be the women who were just a footnote in the story other than being casualties. To them it's also possible that's not a contempt of women but a contempt for the Sister of Battle faction, as there are all-female and mixed gender Imperial Guard regiments. Though this argument fell apart a while ago when Matt Ward wrote an article on his blog talking about female characters in media (specifically that strong ones are great and we need more of them).
  • To the second group of fa/tg/uys, 40K is a violent setting in which people get killed horribly all the time, and the Sisters of Battle are no exception to this (see for example the Second Battle of Sanctuary 101 in the novel Hammer and Anvil); to this group the Sister's deaths are a result of the general misanthropy and overall grimdarkness of the setting, which delights in the brutal slaughter of humans (and xenos) regardless of gender. Sisters were just a randomly chosen group, and it might as well have been Imperial Guard, Inquisitors, or Ultramarines well, maybe that last one's out of the question for Ward regardless, but the important thing is that they were just casualties, and Ward was blissfully ignorant of the unfortunate implications of an all-women fighting force being slain by an all-male army that was supposed to be on their side.
  • There is, however, a third interpretation of the events of Bloodtide, but it is of some sophistication, ergo not a product of Matt "Ima troll u" Ward. Were he so capable he could have used the Bloodtide to demonstrate that the Imperium in-universe is sexist, the Grey Knights as flawed beings, and that the needless deaths therein would have been seen as unimportant to anyone anywhere because the victims were women. In short using sexism irrrrrrrronically. That said, there's no reason to believe that 38,000 years of human history has led to any sort of decline in sexism (indeed, we can see that kind of behavior in Imperial Guard in novels).
  • A newer one is that, based on past fluff, Grey Knights often use the blood of priests due to the fact the Imperial Cult is a martyrdom religion combined with martyrdom being a major theme of the Sisters of Battle. It wouldn't be remotely out of place if the Sisters had agreed to being paint knowing that it would indeed make the Grey Knights stronger in the face of Chaos. Factor in that Matt Ward is capable of writing Sisters well (as shown in their codex), and the cries of misogyny seem like just the fact that the story left out a lot of important details due to just being a stub, and oversensitivity that was gotten away with due to Ward being popular to hate on. The Grey Knights are humans. Stalwart protectors of mankind. Holy Warriors of the Emperor blah blah blah. Killing humans of any sort - most especially the holy Daughters of the Emperor - is heresy when done for absolutely no reason (even if the reason is shaky). Also, note the utter lack of "and the Grey Knights killed all the Imperial Guardsmen for lulz" in the codex, or in any of Matt Ward's writings. This lends credence to the interpretation that the Sisters allowed themselves to be killed to ensure victory, but the way it was written makes it seem that they were murdered instead of acting as willing sacrifices, further adding to the debate there is Ben Counter's short story "Sacrifice" (from Victories of the Space Marines compilation), it reveals that in fact Grey Knight bolter ammunition can actually slay daemons so well because each one of the bolts is infused with the lifestream of a righteous man, read, a good man's life for a bolt, similarly the Aegis armour is actually infused with tens of psykers' essence, in other words, the Grey Knights's power against Chaos doesn't come just from their inherent psyker talents and faith but from the overall (often forced) sacrifice of the Imperium's population.

Which of these you believe is most plausible probably depends on how deep seated your hatred of Ward is, whether you are the type of person to give others the benefit of the doubt or to immediately assume the worst, and how you feel about violence towards women.

The Factions of Ward[edit]

This entire section feels unnecessary and overly long. It doesn't really contribute anything to an actual discussion/information. Plus it's not that funny. I won't remove it now, but if enough people agree I think it should be. CrazyThang (talk) 02:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

A few of them could use some trimming, but it's a neat summary of the various overall perceptions of Ward's fluff and crunch. I vote that it be kept.--Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 02:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't stop you, but that does sum up 90% of all current Ward hate on this wiki (Looking up you Ultramarines page)--D715 (talk) 02:17, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

An end to bullshit[edit]

Can we stop now, please? /tg/ is mostly tired of this now, the joke has played out. It's long since stopped being about anything but pathetic nerd rage. Let it go. AmbullFucker 13:01, 7 October 2012 (BST)


Right, have re-edited the screeching WAAAAARD! out, again. For fucks sake. Still plenty of hate here, but more balance. AmbullFucker 13:54, 25 October 2012 (BST)

You think it's a joke? Necrons and ultramarines allying? Draigo? Daemonhosts in the Grey Knight codex? Grey knights carving their names into the hearts of daemons? He's literally killing the fluff. Now quit being a pansy hippie and wish that everyone gets along and get some balls, GW needs to fire him. -PD 8/26/13

  • Don't you mean Blood Angels and Necrons? Jesus you people are so butthurt you can't even get the facts rights. 40k's fluff was shit anyway, at least Ward makes it a bit more lively.
Necrons can ally with space marines, whereas they really shouldn't be able to do so at all. Besides, we've had Graham McNeill, Dan Abnett, and Ben Counter write great fluff that fit in perfectly and was fun to read. Your analysis of 40k fluff as shit really is far off the mark.
  • McNeil is a even worst writer than Ward, the only reason you even like him is because "Chapter's Due" was one long "Ultramarines getting their asses kicked"
    • In addition, for the game, there's Phil Kelly, who's crunch is up-and-down, but his fluff is awesome and the new guy who's shaping up to be pretty good. So there are good aspects to 40k. Why Games Workshop keeps Ward (and after that shitty 6th edition Tyranid codex, Cruddace) around is beyond me.

General Discussion[edit]

This article "panders to the hysterical, screeching bandwagon hatred without balance" as somebody put it. Do we really want to encourage people to think that babbling on about "WAAAARD" at every oppotunity is the most hilarious and witty thing ever? To be fair he is one of the better rules writers at GW, if he's going to be slated then it may as well be for something accurate rather than just flinging shit at everything he does and hoping some of it sticks.

This man is a troll. No question. A true troll. --FlintTD 3/4/11

    • This man is no troll. He's a fucking Ogre. - Road 4/20/11

Is it... true that he's doing the Black Templar codex...?

  • Possibly. There's talk of him doing the upcoming Necron codex as well. Excuse me, I need to leave and cry myself to sleep...Munch munch 23:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm honestly suprised no one has yet associated him with the Great Unclean One instead. Mr. Spooky 22 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Heresy! He's not a great unclean one. He's your spiritual liege, second only to the Emprah.

Munch munch 01:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

If he does the Necron codex, I will write a strongly-worded letter to Geims Werkshoop asking them to please use editors familiar with the playing and fluff of the particular side. --FlintTD 04:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

While I hate this man and his stupidity, and believe that this page is right on in the message, I do feel that it should still be accurate in its list of grievances. Under the Codex: Grey Knights it mentions that Rad Grenades reduce the opponent's toughness and is factored for ID. However, this is not the only toughness affecting thing that is factored fir Instant Death. In the current Necron Codex (the one Ward has nothing to do with) it says that the Necron Lord can take a Destroyer body that gives him +1 toughness and it is factored for Instant Death, specifically mentioning that S10 attacks cannot insta-kill him.

I'm not saying that the Rad Grenades are a good idea, I'm just saying that the complaints carry much more weight when they're more accurate.--71.229.74.0 18:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Salamanders have never been africans, and always, well, salamanders. Fire elementals, with black skin and blazing eyes. Matt Ward has nothing to do with this.

  • It's just that:
    • A.They're the only known chapter that has black Space Marines up until Jonah came along. That's a lot considering nearly everyone in the WH40K universe is Caucasian.
    • B.The Mattard changed their fluff that their unique features were due to a mutation in their gene-seed than an inheritance from Vulkan's stay on Nocturne. So we got our stereotype on.Serious dog 16:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
      • That carries it's own implications. To some people, now Salamanders look like Caucasians wearing blackface (Theatrical makeup used by white actors to portray black people, most infamously used in the old, racist minstrel shows), which is even worse. Another problem is that 40k already lacks ethnic diversity (compare ethnic diversity across the world in real life to ethnic diversity in 40k), and a better explanation would've been that a side effect of the Gene-seed implantation process is that it changes their appearance to match the primarch of their chapters, and make the primarchs ethnically diverse. The final problem is that many people are still racist in real life, but now that's seen as illegal and impolite in more and more parts of the world, they just get secretive about it (or express it while cowering behind the anonymity of the internet). Which could explain the lack of ethnic diversity (racism from either some fans and/or Games Workshop staff). NOTE: I didn't put this on the page "Minorities in the Imperium of Man" because, for some reason, that discussion page has been closed.

In the "Why the Hate" section, please try to stick to non-biased analysis. The entire article is already a massive, raging rant. Adding more rage and repeating Matt's ofenses yet again with venom and bile doesn't change things up and it's just redundant. Also, careful not to add details simply for the sake of adding details. Assume the readers of 1d4chan are smart enough to fill in the blanks. They don't have to be told where Matt stands over your shoulder at because whether he does it in your own home or at the game store isn't really the point. Also, cheating on rolls in both fun games and normal games is still a dick move - I don't know why there's a need to differentiate. The less you write while still getting the idea across, the nicer it is to read. - 7/21/11

  • That is FUCKING Impossible, whiny butthurt Ward haters are going to find any nit pickly reasons to bash him, just look at the Sentinels of Terra section. "Ward confused the Fist with Black Templars" No... Who would have though the Parent Chapter and its Successor have Simplar trait? Every Imperail Fist Successor have been a fucking Crusading Chapter you retards. "new chapter specific flaw: Pride" Guess the Iron Cage never happen before Ward wrote it right? There trait is being Stubborn to the max, which comes form Pride, there the ones who said "camo is the colors of cowards". And THEN claims any good part comes for OTHER writers. This is why everyone thinks 1d4chan is dead people.--D715 (talk) 17:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Matt Ward brings out the troll in everyone. Further proof of just how bad his writing skills are.

Discussion Time[edit]

There's a bunch of morons adding meaningless shit to this article, and several pro-Ward posters (likely Trolls, but possibly Ward himself given past experience) flooding edits about someone/something named VT2. As we need to clean up this article, I suggest we put our heads together and come up with a solution, gentlemen. -- Jaimas

You can't seriously believe that Matt Ward gives a shit (much less even knows the existance) of this site do you? 1d4chan is fairly popular, but were not THAT popular...Mr. Spooky

  • Actually allegations of Ward posting in his own defense is a common meme on /tg/. -- Jaimas

Ok I'm going to try to rewrite this and I could use your help (I'm not a writefag). I'll taking the hatchet pretty liberally to people's work, but at this point its become necessary. Here's what the deal is so the unwashed masses will wait a full three seconds before pushing the revert button on my work.

  • Shorter. Its a fucking mess and anything funny has been buried in mounds of redundancy and emo rage.
  • Less ragewank. Yes we all hate Ward, that doesn't automatically make everything relevant or funny. Lets tone down some of the reactionary bullshit too (deepstriking landraiders are not cheese, they're a good way to blow up half your army on turn 2). Long rants like grey knights need to be linked to their own entries.
  • Info first, jokes second. 1d4chan is not wikipedia, but it also isn't /b/. If you can't make something funny without compromising its meaning don't write it.

Ok guys lets GET SHIT DONE. Break. --Petro 17:04, 29 October 2011 (BST)

Though my neckbeard is less than shaggy, I certainly think you did a pretty good job there. --SpectralTime 15:04, 29 October 2011 (EST)

Impressively-done, gentlemen. The article reads much better, maintains its original slant, and has the impressive tilt of something notably smoothed out without reducing the amount of content it had. You guys rock. Every last goddamned one of you. -- Jaimas

If nobody has any qualms about it, I am going to move Matt Ward's "Decent to Madness" to a different, new page. I personally liked it, but then I made it. If anyone had an issue, go and kill the page. --FlintTD 00:48, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I leave this page for a few months and its even bigger than it was when I started? KILL. MAIM. BURN. KILL. MAIM. BURN. --Petro 17:33, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Finished reverting all your work. Sorry to anybody whose actual good stuff got deleted, it was either dragging out the paragraph, redundant, explaining a joke, or too close to something I was in the process of RIP AND TEARING. --Petro 19:32, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I must ask what is the big deal with hating this Matt Ward? I mean i've read the articles about him here and there, I mean okay i played Necron 3rd Ed last year (briefly) before getting the latest Codex, but it was because of that that got me into the Necrons in the first place :') But i do not fully understand why many people hate the guy? If someone can actually talk me through this, perhaps it'd be easier - DarkIronCrown17

Did you read the long section titled "why the hate" at all? Because it's about as detailed an answer as possible. Also, sign your posts by putting --~~~~ after them. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 02:32, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I did read all of it (multiple times because of the edits) and i still don't get it :') I mean alright hes probably done a lotta things but as a 6th edition player, i suppose i wouldn't understand --DarkIronCrown17

I can has spelling?[edit]

For some reason, Ward is called "Mat Ward" in all the comment sections that he's written. What's the proper spelling? Biggus Berrus 20:04, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

  • Matt Ward. But he changes it like every six months, to throw people off. See his Decent into Madness for more specific Wardian nomenclature.
    • Matt Ward is the name of the Cartoon character we've made Mat Ward into. AmbullFucker 20:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Just as planned[edit]

Has anyone ever considered that GW keeps this guy around because no other writer can make players want GW to sell them a new Codex within five minutes of opening the one they just bought? Tim 03:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

  • No they sell because they're all good starter armies for new players, they're all easy to paint, cost less and easy to play and win battles, which makes them want to keep playing, and since most don't know about the older fluff they don't really care if he's changing it.

Strikeouts[edit]

Whoever's currently doing the strikeout / say the opposite thing, it just makes the article annoying to read. If you're going to do the "Matt Ward is great" angle, you can certainly make a funny article with it, but you have to write the article so it's (a) praising Matt Ward ridiculously and (b) still gets across how terrible he is by implication (ie, praising his errors so directly it's clear what they are). Just throwing on a bunch of s tags doesn't cut it. Tim 14:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protect[edit]

Could we please have this page semi-protected? We have this annoying anon adding in strike outs without even knowing how they work, and vandalizing other peoples pages when we revert them. Banning him will just slow him down, since he's jumping IP addresses, and it's quite frankly getting annoying. -- SFH 01:24, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to belatedly second this idea. I know a lot of people don't like Ward, but shitting on him left and right over the smallest things is just as bad as proclaiming him to be the greatest writer GW ever hired.--Newerfag (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Daemons are overpowered in Fantasy[edit]

I'm just posting this here because I've more hopes of it getting noticed, but everyone keeps saying how overpowered 7th edition daemons of chaos army book is, but what I read on tvtropes is that while it was overpowered in 7th edition, but they've been nerfed in the 8th edition due to fear getting nerfed and their lack of any cheap units, but everybody here says they're still overpowered. Anybody willing state which argument has more water?

The one that isn't from TVTropes. Tim 22:21, 8 April 2012 (BST)
I need a better response than that, especially since what I heard is that one of the daemons' strengths was that every unit caused fear and everyone say's fear was nerfed in 8th edition, or am I not going to get more than the weakening of fear and other things didn't soften them up enough?


New paint range[edit]

i cant help but notice, my fellow neckbeards, that the new paint range is similar to the space marine codex, if your not doing it in this way you are WRONG, am i alone in my assumptions to say that Matt Ward has his grubby hands in this new Monstrosity???!!! (although they are good paints for beginners...)

Holy fuck, 12ml for £2.30? Is it made from purified saints' blood? That's more expensive per ml than Tamiya (who aren't exactly known for being the cheap option) and way more than Vallejo. I'm guessing we're going to see another period of people figuring out that other paint manufacturers exist.
And I'm guessing the general idea of the new system is to make people shell out £30 for the book telling them what the hell all these "layers" and "shades" are actually for. Tim 19:56, 10 April 2012 (BST)

Edit War[edit]

Apparently since the edit war between the troll(s) and SHF is still happening, can we get this page protected from everyone?

It's not an edit war if half the edits are vandalism. Edit wars are both sides making good faith edits. Hard.Tim 16:36, 17 April 2012 (BST)

Wrong ward pic[edit]

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It's Gav Thorpe, not matt ward!!! Stop posting this image where matt ward is mentioned.

Counter-Culture[edit]

Why does that section even exist? It just boils down to "these people like Matt Ward because lots of people don't like him". Does that really justify a massive textwall using terms most viewers haven't even seen, let alone have the capacity to understand?--Newerfag (talk) 01:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

It was funny and showed an ironic explanation why hipsters love so much Matt Ward--79.151.69.5 08:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
It was suppose to be funny in that it's how a hipster would explain why he likes something. Though yeah, unnecessarily long and hipsters are annoying in the first place anyway. So a shortened version would have been better. Tactical Mehren (talk) 10:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I think that it should exist. But to exemplify /tg/ utter hatred of the man we should make it clear that we don't even acknowledge the existence of Wardenites and claim that they are all trolls, that becoming a member of the Converted usually requires a major head injury, accuse people who like his crunch of being Munchkins, and post something overwhelmingly negative about hipsters as our explanation for people who only like him because every sensible Neckbeard hates him.

Matt Ward is Underhated for Fluff Rape[edit]

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Mastertroll Bastard Faggot" bullshit that's going on in the 1d4 system right now. Matt Ward deserves much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Grey Knights Codex from GW for $55 (that's about £73.15) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cause critical existence failure of Codex: Chaos players with my codex.

GW executives spend years looking for the perfect way of appealing to newfag 12-year olds and pay it up to a million times to produce the finest fluff-rape known to mankind.

Matt Ward is thrice as fluff-rapey as 12 year old fanfic writers and thrice as facepalm-inducing for that matter too. Anything a 12-year old can ruin, Matt Ward can ruin even harder. I'm pretty sure Matt Ward could easily bisect the most loved characters wearing full plot armor with a simple key stroke.

Ever wonder why oldfag gamers never bothered buying his Codices? That's right, they were too scared to read the awful Khornate Knights and their betrayal of canon. Even in the middle of the Bloodtide, Grey Knights targeted the Sisters of Battle with the purity first because their they were female and respected.

So what am I saying? Matt Ward is simply the best fluff rapist that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the 1D4 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Matt Ward:

(One-Handed Typing) 3 Words Per Minute 1d6 retconns per paragraph +4 attacks against women Counts as Biggest Faggot Currently Working for GW

(Two-Handed typing) 5 Words Per Minute 1d12 retconns per paragraph +6 Writerape to everything you love in Warhammer Counts as Biggest Faggot Currently Working for GW

Now that seems a lot more representative of the canon-raping by Matt Ward in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Matt Ward needs to be hated more on 1d4, see my new stat block. Creed of Heresy (talk) 14:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

10/10, would commission for authorial portraits again. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 14:23, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

No one truly cares about the fluff all that much, GW sure doesn't that's why its been so inconsistent all the time, its only been now 40k's fluff has been clear and consistent and its due to throwing out all but the basics. The true problem of Ward and fluff is that he takes things to the extreme, take the Ultramarines they were always "the best" and its heroes "the most powerful/greatest X" Ward just takes them to such annoying levels.

The only reason I got into 40k was the fluff. Sure as hell wasn't the cocaine-grade prices on mediocre models. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 03:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Second that, Ballkrusha. I tried playing as the Grey Knights with the new codex, three years after I'd stopped playing with my last army, the Daemonhunters codex. I felt kind of unattached when I did. I don't exactly play to win, I play to roleplay, if that makes any sense. I would do the battles, and write little mini-stories, little mini-fluff about what had happened. It was a fun means of creating writefaggotry and I loved it for that. You could do that very easily because there was enough room given to the player to determine the flavor of their army. Now, though...the Grey Knights are too damn defined. What mystique and gravitas existed is largely gone. I feel like I'm powergaming. I can't get any creative value from the battles because they're just flavorless. And as Ballkrusha said; throw in the cocaine-grade prices [pure uncut Brazilian, half a kilo], the mediocre [at best; I think that might even be generous. I'm looking at my Purifier Castellan and it looks so ridiculously cheaply plastic...] quality, and also finecast, and yeah. I'll keep buying the books, because they're still very consistently good with only a few exceptions, but I don't think I'm gonna be buying any more models, and I don't think I'm going to bother playing the game all that much anymore unless GW does something to rectify some of these problems. Maybe if model quality starts going up, or prices come down, or maybe if they get someone to make some really good fluff addendums. They need to stop giving everything to Matt Ward for the new codices, though. Each army is supposed to have its own flavor and you can't get different flavor if you keep getting your shit from the same boring, uninspiring source. Let Ward do the crunch, because he DOES do good crunch, and give fluff over to, like, ADB, who is damn-near universally-loved in the 40k community for his writing. Not just here on 1d4, either; everyone I've spoken to loves his books and has nothing but glowing reviews for him. Creed of Heresy (talk) 06:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
  • You do know GW's policy is that if you don't like the lore just handwave it off as propaganda. EI Ward's stuff is edited records Say the "100 knights per brotherhood" the codex says its only on paper so what if they're pulling down the names of the squads inset? They only deploy a max of 100 per brotherhood because normally that's overkill or each ship carries a max of 100 and only one ship can get to an event at any given time or something, either a or his Ultramarine wank sounds like something a person form Ultramar would believe (it was written with the ideal it was Codex Ultramarines before the change to just Space Marines). I will at least say Ward's lore has been getting better at least. --D715 (talk) 10:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
  • About GW's policy. So they can write as crappish fluff as they want. Good position. -- Ilya_Rysenkov (talk) 23:26 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Rewrite[edit]

The last few major edits, intended to throw a hook to the other side (I think), have killed the humour of the article and have also (imo) distorted reality. Matt Ward is, writ large, a bad writer; we can all agree that he's improving, slowly. I think most readers can recognize the tone of the wiki, taking what they read with a pitch of salt and will take measures to review the claims made. The current introduction('That Doesn't Sound So Bad; Why Does /tg/ Hate This Guy So Much?') + 'Why the Hate?' sound like a vindication, as if it's somehow wrong to disprove of his cock-ups.

To see what I mean, compare this Dec 2013 revision and the current revision from Jan 2014. -- Yu-gi-oh ! (talk) 21:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The only thing I see is that the general opinion of /tg/ has changed- he simply is not as hated now as he was back then. And at that matter, most of the "humor" was nothing more than thinly veiled butthurt that anyone with eyes could see. The last time I checked /tg/, "most readers" thought the article was just bitching and moaning, along with about half the wiki- does that sound like "taking measures to review the claims made" to you? If anything, it was the earlier versions of the article that accentuated the negative aspects of his work. We are not Encyclopedia Dramatica- don't act like we should become more like them in the name of "humor".--Newerfag (talk) 22:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
  • In my general opinion on Encyclopedia Dramatica, compared to Unencyclopedia, I found the "humor" in Encyclopedia Dramatica as tasteless, immature and just childishly unfunny and uncreative...which makes sense when most of their "jokes" are just half-pasted and overly stereotyped making it...blah. Derpysaurus
  • That old article had humour in it? Sorry I couldn't see it through all the bitching. Most of this article looks like it was written by somebody frothing at the mouth who's made it their own personal vendetta to say that everything that Ward wrote is terrible just because he touched it. If the article changed it's because people have calmed the fuck down, and are looking at it in a different light. As it is the article went from "Extreme bitching and moaning about how shitty Ward is" to "Bitching and moaning about how shitty Ward is", and I'm not sure which spin doctor it was who wrote most of it, but they should really apply for a job at FOX News for how biased it is. Triacom

Cleanup[edit]

This article needs a cleanup and badly, I've edited out most of the hate wanking in favour of a slightly more unbiased opinion, as well as deleting the repeated paragraphs, but I'd like to trim out the bad bits even more, do we need the "Factions of Matt Ward" for example? Describing it as skub and that others just don't care should cover it without a massive breakdown. I've also moved the misogynist bit back to his page because it didn't seem right to delete it without hearing other opinions first, but I think it's now a useless section especially since the main argument worked on assuming Ward was Misogynistic, and ever since he wrote this article: Heroes For All! that assumption no longer works. -- Triacom (talk) 19:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Ward's Parting Shot?[edit]

There was a link that went to Mat Ward's personal website on the page which lists books he's written/worked on. On it, it lists that Word wrote, or had a hand in writing, the End Times:Nagash and End Times:Khaine books before he left GW. This appears to be reinforced by some 'Author Spotting' traits of Ward; the books feature the retconning of previous lore and excessive use of the word 'alas' with the bonus point of a possible Kaldor Draigo cameo. To get to the point;

  • In End Times:Khaine, the High Elves and Dark Elves have moved to Athel Loren with the Wood Elves after the destruction of Naggaroth and Ulthuan.
  • The Dark Elves have lost most of their Special Characters and the High Elves have lost more than the Wood Elves.
  • In addition; in lore Athel Loren changes anyone who lives in it (eg; the Forest Dragons and Wood Elves themselves), so the Dark Elves and High Elves could become Wood Elves if they live long enough.
  • We also have Araloth, a Wood Elf hero, has been established to be the ruling god of the next elven pantheon in the next world, according to Lileath.
  • Mat Ward has said that Wood Elves are his favourite Elf faction.

Was the fate of the High and Dark Elves going to Athel Loren with potential to become Wood Elves Ward's plan all along? Was Matt Ward just playing favourites with elf factions? Or, was it a parting shot from Ward against his haters before he left GW (between social media forums and disgruntled people at GW conventions, it's unlikely that Ward wouldn't know about his hatedom)? Any and all of those points seem likely, or at least feasible. I'm not trying to troll, start a flame war or hop on the anti-Ward bandwagon, it's a shake-up that, I admit, put me off (due to many poorly-written OOC moments from the elves and the shake-up of my favorite elves, the Dark Elves) and it seems too convenient that the Wood Elves got off easy compared to the other two elf races. -- Flufflion

  • Players seem divided. Everyone thinks their faction got it the worst. Wood Elves were confirmed to be the "true Elves" and get to start the new world plus kept their homeland and identity BUUUT lost the only two characters who matter in their list fluffwise. Dark Elves lost their homeland and all of their characters of note except Malekith BUUUUUUT lead the Elves and are the chosen of Asuryan plus fluff states most don't give a fuck and are happy they wrecked shit. High Elves lost their homeland, had the most casualties, are most likely to lose their identity, and are loved by literally nobody including their gods plus most of their characters are either changing alignments or dead BUUUUUUUUT the remaining characters get the bulk of the Elves attention. Plus every other player base is mad Elves got all the attention. So nothing Ward could have done to divide players was more effective than uniting Elves in this way.
  • I highly doubt it, The Wood Elves ended up with the least casualties because they played next to no part in the war, I think it was more trying to make it so that the factions don't have an advantage over each other in the end, if Ulthuan was still around it would seem like the Dark Elves got the short end of the stick, same with if Naggaroth was still around. If both were still around it would seem like nothing changed and if all three places were destroyed then the Elves would be all around screwed. Overall wrecking Ulthuan, Naggaroth, and killing the Wood Elf characters was probably to try and keep everyone on the same field as the person above me notes. I do have some questions for the person above me, where was it confirmed that Wood Elves are the "True" Elves? And it isn't established that Araloth will become the ruling God, at best it's implied he might become a God. I think too that you shouldn't give Ward all the credit for Khaine (or any problems you have with it) as he wasn't the only one working on the book (though he was probably the most involved). -- Triacom (talk) 1:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I suspected, and was asking about, having the High Elves and Dark Elves go live with the Wood Elves was a final middle-finger from Ward to spite the Warhammer fans who hated him before he left GW, with supporting evidence outlined in the points I listed above. It seems convenient for Ward that his favorite elf faction has suffered the least of all the Warhammer factions, especially with Alarielle/Ariel healing the damage done to Athel Loren, in the shake-up that is the End Times. Triacom's argument makes sense, except it was the Dark Elves who lost most of their characters.
    • Dark Elves deaths; Malus, Kouran and Tullaris while Morathi was taken by Slaanesh, Lokhir's MIA and no word on the character Rakarth the Beastlord of Karond Kar.
    • High Elves deaths; Eltharion, Korhil and Tyrion but they regained Imrik and (SPOILER) Tyrion gets resurrected in End Times: Archaon.
    • Wood Elves deaths; Orion while Ariel fused with Alarielle and, lorewise, they regained Naieth the Prophetess. -- Flufflion
    • Araloth replaces Asuryan in the new world, and becomes the consort to the new Ereth Khial in the form of Eldyra. Not sure where it was stated Woodies were true, I believe it was with the statement that High Elves were "heretics" in Khaine. Dark Elves also lose Hellebron to Khorne in Archaon according to leaked pages. Wood Elves lose Drycha similarly to Nurgle. High Elves apparently lose both Alarielle and Tyrion to being lose in the Warp according to artwork. --Thannak (talk) 06:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I didn't say it was the Wood Elves who lost the most characters, just that they killed off some, the ones removed were their King and Queen too. Think about it, the Wood Elves, while suffering the least are left under the rule of the High Elves and Dark Elves, if it really was a middle finger to the other factions then Malekith and Alarielle would have been killed off with everyone else living under Ariel and Orion. -- Triacom (talk) 5:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
  • You make a good point, Triacom. Though I'm not sure if Ariel counts as being removed; remember she fused with Alarielle along with what was left of Isha. As for the End Times: Archaon links, that'll be interesting (extra spoiler: more of Nagash's Mortarch's will turn on him), I know that Bea'lakor's involved. As for suffering, I came up with the theory because the Wood Elves have suffered the least out of all of the playable factions so far, with the arguable exception of the Vampire Counts (who, as members of the Undead Legions, still have Sylvania and regained Neferata as a playable character while the Tomb Kings lost Nehekhara and three of their six characters; though in the case of one it's up in the air) and Skaven.
    • VC regain Vlad, lose Isabella to Chaos. Nagash is arguably a gain for both TK and VC. VC get Drachenfels, then lose hom again to Chaos. Mannfred has been shit on spectacularly, while Arkhan has become quite based in contrast. Vamps lost Harkon, and 3/5 Bloodlines are pretty much forgotten (Zach is the only mention of Necrarchs, closest mention to Strigoi is some Ghouls Nef keeps as pets because she couldn't exterminate them, Blood Drags lost Harkon and Abby is forgotten). So VC suffer more than Woodies and Skaven due to character cheapening/loss and partial lore irrelevancy, less than anyone else. --Thannak (talk) 18:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
      • On this side topic about Vampire Counts, Thannak, what are you referring to when you say that Arkhan's become based? As for Mannfred, he has been shat on, though do you mean in the fluff or the crunch? Prior to the End Times he was a big shot, overthrew Vlad and stole the Necrach's entire plot at a meta level (though that's GW's doing not Mannfred's). The Necrachs worship Nagash as a god and want him back, but a Von Carstein, with no help from them, is the main vampire in the role. PS; you're right, we need Abhorash, W'soran/Melkhoir and Ushoran (if he's been brought back to unlife) to make an appearance. I also think they didn't do Neferata justice in the End Times: she's just THE FIRST VAMPIRE but accomplishes little.
  • Thannak would you mind stating where (as in page number) in Khaine it said the Wood Elves were the true elves and the High Elves were heretics? Also please state where it says Araloth becomes the new Asuryan and consort to Eldyra. As for Ariel being removed, she's functionally no longer in the game, and her personality is definitely far less than the Everqueen's, so I don't think anybody can make a reasonable claim that she's still in the game. I also don't think they need more characters, they just need to wrap things up, introducing new characters at this point will just feel like a pointless cameo. -- Triacom (talk) 3:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I almost miss the guy.[edit]

After seeing the new codices (especially Craftworlds) I kind of miss Matt Ward, what isn't completely lifeless in terms of fluff is completely broken in terms of rules, at least with Matt Ward even the worst dogshit (see Draigo) he wrote had some form of energy to it, as in it was kind of fun to read, not the "Here's X, Y is what happened to X" that almost all of the latest Codices have devolved to in terms of writing. This might be more the fault of GW having the writers work all on the same book so the worst of each writer comes through rather than the best and worst of any single writer. So I make this with a question in mind, do other users prefer the new style of Codex (as in only 7th edition) over the old style (anything preceding 7th edition), and if you do prefer the old ones would you go back to that style if you could if it also meant you'd have to put up with Matt Ward again? -- Triacom (talk) 05:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Too far?[edit]

I know that some people here where not pleased with Matt Ward's work, but was it really worth to constantly hate him? It went so far that it ended up him receiving death threats (which caused his resign from GW). He did also good things like Storm of Magic, Battle Focus and High Elves.

I guess with death threats someone took it a bit too far. But fans can take only so much abuse before they snap. He did good things I guess, he's shown he can write decent fluff. But then if he CAN/COULD why didn't he? Why did we get The One True Sue? Why did he change the Ultramarines from a well organized, almost clockwork army into DA BEST OF DA BEST OF DA BEST? This simply made fans rage the most, seeing that he can do good, yet apparently chooses not to. --Dark Harlequin (talk) 19:08, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't forget it was GW who forced him to make Ultramarines into Mary Sues, since they're GW's posterboys. But the Cruddace is the real destroyer of 40K. He destroyed the Tyranids in 5th edition and if that was not enough; he did it once again with the 6th edition and much worser, which led to the 24% stock fall for GW. All because they're the ultramarines' primary vilians and the Cruddace has a special hatred for Nids. And he probably did the same trick with Orks and Space Wolves.

What if he fixed whfb instead?[edit]

If Draigo went back in time and reality to prevent the end times and AoS from ever happening, I would forgive Matt Ward for ever creating him, and if warhammer fantasy was brought back as a result, I would forgive Matt Ward full stop. If only nuhammer was destroyed and the sigmarines never existed, if that piece of fucking crap was gone... Just puttin it out there, Matt Ward wrote better fluff than Age of Sigmar has. Fuck, he wrote better crunch as well. Age of sigmar is an insult. It is unusable. Oh by the way, dont think I like ward, I just hate him less than age of skubmar, which has become the new definition of skub. Seriously, think about it... Matt ward writes awful shit, yes, but he might be WHFB'S last and only hope.

... right ...

It's true. He actually kept Fantasy in a certain way alive...

HE'S BACK[edit]

https://twitter.com/thetowerofstars/status/760503644076793856

2.30.45.255 16:54, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Ah fuck, I can't believe you've done this. --LGX-000 (talk) 18:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
He's back? Thank the Lord, this means people will be more suspicious of new lore, will examine it more, and decry shitty new lore for being the garbage that it is because they'll assume he wrote it, rather than praise dogshit like Mont'ka for no given reason aside from the Tau being their favourite army. -- Triacom (talk) 07:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
At this point there's very little that he can do to make the lore worse that GW hasn't already done to itself, but I'm sure the results will be hilarious enough to keep an eye on. Newerfag (talk) 18:51, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Odds are he's just going to be writing the AoS elf lore.

Why do so many of you people refuse to sign your posts for fuck's sake? Aaaaaarrrrrgggggghakdsandz,dzm. Anyway I'll take a wait and see approach, and hopefully this time the fandom won't stoop to sending people death threats because come on, you can dislike a guy without making them afraid for their lives. I'm sure he's going to focus on his beloved elves though. Crazy Cryptek (talk) 07:57, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Its AoS lore. Its already rock bottom, the only way to go is up. --Thannak (talk) 14:36, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


Death Threats[edit]

I know Ward's hated for his deeds but in no way does that mean death threats should be sent to him. If you get so butthurt about a game being changed that you send death threats then you have a problem. Tyranid Memestealer (talk) 21:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Leviathan Hivefleet at Baal soaked away by the Cicatrix Maledictum?[edit]

I am failing to get the official link where it says the tendril attacking Baal has been sucked into the warp, if anything, it is the Damocles Gulf firestorm unleashed by the Imperium what has been snuffed out by the Great Rift, we don't even know if it was Ward the one who wrote both of these events.--McNash (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Blood Angels whining.[edit]

So calling the destruction of Hive Fleet Leviathan 'smurf ex machina' isn't really true. As mentioned the warp rift blasts that Baal system, and what is ignored is that Ka'Bandha kills the Tyranids on Baal. Guilliman arrives after the party's almost over and with a lot more than just the Ultramarines, and nowhere does it state the Blood Angels were forced to kiss his ass. Personally I don't really see this as being that far out there as conclusions go, the last Tyranid codex was pretty clear in making Chaos completely and utterly despise the Tyranids, and if Ka'Bandha killed the Tyranids because he wanted to be the one to kill them the Blood Angels (on top of hating the Tyranids) tben that's perfectly in character. As for the battle being short, yes, this is a rulebook, not a novel or a white dwarf article or a codex. Just like every other fight in rulebooks they're going to be short and Black Library is no doubt going to flesh it out later.

I'm putting all of this here because I really don't see any excuse for the whining this time. It's short because it's a rulebook, Chaos wants the Tyranids dead, we know that Guilliman is trying to save/reinforce the Space Marine chapters and going to the homeworld of the only first founding chapter on the other side of the rift makes sense. What exactly is there to bitch about? -- Triacom (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

  • I have been reading the available threads and discussions on the conclusion of the Devastation of Baal and there was indeed quite a number of people bitching. Usually it is the case of the ending being underwhelming (Which I agree). However, others aren't happy because it is the Smurfs saving the day, to plot armor that is the Cicatrix being opened up just in time to coincidentally deal with the majority of the Hive Fleets. Others are pet peeved that the Blood Angels got their limelight stolen when it is their battle, whilst some saw it as a missed opportunity to have some other factions other then the Ultramarines to help and assist the Blood Angels. Of course there are a few suspicious that Ward has some hand in the way DOB concluded. I know that this is a rulebook and they have to keep it short as well as the fact that GW is promoting Robby and his NuMarines, but they could at least structured it better. That is my opinion on the way DOB is being received. Derpysaurus
  • Let just hope that the new novel detailing the Devastation of Baal is much more satisfying.Derpysaurus
It's short because it's a rulebook, we can both agree on that so how could they structure it better? You're not going to find any sort of in-depth fight in any of the main rulebooks, and the smurf's don't really save the day. 99% of the hive fleet was dead when they got there and Guilliman's going around with a lot more than just the Ultramarines. The Maledictum isn't even timed all that oddly since we've known for years now that Abaddon was fighting at Cadia while the Blood Angels were fighting Leviathan, if the Maledictum didn't affect the hive fleet despite its proximity then honestly I'd be the one calling bullshit. Also just because /tg/'s upset doesn't mean we have to state things that aren't true (like it being smurf ex machina or the Blood Angels being forced to kiss Guilliman's ass) or make mountains out of molehills (again, the short battle and Guilliman's crusade beating a hive fleet at 1% strength, which is something that the Blood Angels at full strength would find easy to do). -- Triacom (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
  • The whole Blood Angels kissing Robby G's ass was just an exaggeration of the complaints that some Blood Angel fans felt when they thought that it was GW's way of shoving Roboute's Primaris Marines into the Blood Angels army. If that didn't pitch in the tone, than I will change it. Derpysaurus
My problem with that in particular is it didn't happen. If we're going to whine about something, then at least keep it to stuff that isn't made up. -- Triacom (talk) 17:43, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
" . Those heroes you may have liked before now seem like entirely new people, and the armies you liked before now seem to be an entirely different force you never wanted to play as "

Thats why i stopped playing League of Legends. Rip old Taric

Awesome edit[edit]

Anon 86.4.217.91 (https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.4.217.91) just removed the Awesome page tab. I vehemently disagree with this, as this page is well designed and should be not ruined (as well as praised). If the Anon or a supporter doesn't respond in the next few days, Imma assume it was just a troll or an excuse to troll.

Let's not start another edit war on this page.

Just checked his revision history, he was the Anon that removed the Ward Highlights a few months back. Probably Butthurt.

zombie pirate[edit]

[from here,http://sgabetto.free.fr/Telechargements/War.CZombiePirates.pdf] it seems that Matt Ward and this Any guy created the zombie pirate which will eventually known as Vampire Coast faction in Total War: WARHAMMER. What I really want to know is if there is anything wrong with it like balancing of units or any fluff rape? So far it seems to beloved by many people but I just want to make sure since well, it's created by Matt Ward.

I would love to this added to his highlights section. Contrary to popular belief, he has made a few good works, so I think it might be interesting to see his better side (in light of his recent support for female leads and presumably support for the LGBTQ+ community given his online relations with Gav Thorpe and Aaron Dembski-Bowden, he's starting to warm up on a few neckbeards, despite his fluff rape) in recent times. Either way, it would be an interesting read (I'm not much of a vidya player, so I don't know). -- Kracked Mynd (talk) 03:44, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
The majority of Ward's Fantasy stuff is good, he just had one big fuckup with Daemons and people kind of forgot everything else. He's made a few White Dwarf only army lists like the one you've linked here, and the Army of the Lichemaster (Kemmler's own army). As for anything wrong with it or any fluff rape, there isn't anything wrong with the lore, and there's also not really anything wrong with the crunch either. The prices are reasonable for what you end up getting and anything that seems scary initially is stuck with the "Braindead" rule (the exception is Queen Bess, who always has a ~30% chance of misfiring and costs a shitload of points to balance that out). There's also no real way to take some of the more powerful relics and put them onto a combat monster that'll tear through everything since the highest magic allowance cost is 50 points. Try a game or two with it if you like Fantasy and you'll probably see why so many people like the list. -- Triacom (talk) 05:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
That sounds like that would be an interesting wrap up. I'm not comfortable adding anything in personally because I have no personal experience with it, but it seems like it would be a good read. -- Kracked Mynd (talk) 15:07, 28 November 2018 (UTC)