Talk:Medieval Stasis

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If you have magic, why bother with technological advancement? Who needs cars or airplanes when you have Dimension Door spells? In Tolkien's Middle Earth, most technology came from the Valar (Aulë, mainly), with added bits from Fëanor. Nobody has had much impetus to go inventing new stuff, what with everything being driven by the machinations of Elves or Ainur, who, being immortal and magical, generally have the patience to do things the slow way. Humans, largely living in these immortals' shadows, were presumably too busy trying to survive various wars between Elves, Dwarves, and Orcs to innovate (which generally requires at least some sort of free time). Once the Elves and Wizards bugger off at the end of the Third Age, technological innovation becomes much more of a thing.

Most fantasy doesn't exactly have the common man shooting fireballs out of his asshole. For the average Joe, learning magic may be too expensive/time-consuming/dangerous than using mundane methods of doing the same thing, and from that need would generally arise a technological advancement. In addition, a lot of fantasy settings have magic be either widely distrusted, not available if you aren't born into it, finicky, or some combination of the three, while technology generally doesn't suffer from the same drawbacks. Besides, if this were the case, society would likely stop at the point when magic is developed, meaning that arbitrarily setting it at a medieval point of development is total bullshit. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 02:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
In the case of Arda, the general tech level was basically set by divine fiat. Also, when you think about it, medieval technological stasis was a real thing. Technology didn't change all that much from the rise of the Roman Empire to the 11th century. There were advances, yes, but nothing compared to what we've seen in the past three or four hundred years. -- 14:07, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Tolkien's work is an exception to the general rule because he at least provides some reasoning for the social structure, albeit one that might be considered a copout, while most authors consider nothing more than wanting to put in some shiny knights. Also when you think about it, the Roman empire saw massive advances in architecture, engineering, agriculture, and a whole ton of random shit. Progress only stopped because of a fuckhueg invasion. Besides, seeing as technological growth accelerated even more in the past 50-60 years compared to the last 300-400, I might as well label it "industrial stasis" too, right?--Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 16:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Saying here that The Lord of The Rings should not be used as an example of Medieval Stasis, as it is actually meant to be a fictitious mythology for England, and actually can be connected to his other works of fiction such as Roverandum and Smith of Wooton Major. So therefor is not in a state of stasis as it advances out of that mythological age and through normal history (possibly somewhere between 300AD and 800AD).

Arda is by no means mythological England. It is clearly its own world in every regard, from its creation to its end.--Canodae 8:12, 19 January 2018 (GMT)