Talk:Minorities in the Imperium of Man

Would semi-protecting this page be a good idea? It's attracted a lot of vandals in the last few days.--Newerfag (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

this is a very odd page to have in the wiki, and in all honesty its SJW and /pol/ bait. Also, 40000 years in the future, pretty much anything could have happened to explain this fluffwise.

It's no odder than the 8 pages you made about mermaids. Now quit complaining.--Newerfag (talk) 14:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

"Why are there not more people who are not white" is a criticism/complaint which has come up numerous times in regards to Warhammer 40,000--A Walrus (talk) 04:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

"Why aren't more people who aren't white" is a question that can be easly solved. You know, giving the Emperor geneseed to anyone half important should have probably screwed the racial distribution. And no, this article isn't just about "Why aren't space mareehs white", it even says that you can just PAINT them, you know, not White. Infact, the whole article is just placing false social issues, nobody is upset that you can paint statues black or asian you gits.--201.69.24.79 23:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I thought the Emperor was Turkish (well, "Proto-Indo-European" according to the article). In nearly every official art he's kinda... not white. (not completely, at least) TiamatRoar (talk) 18:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

We don't really know what the Proto-Indo-Europeans looked like. From what we can tell they were the ancestors of the Greeks (amongst others), and they weren't full-on caucasian, but that's pretty much all we know. - Biggus Berrus (talk) 21:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, at any rate, going by various official arts of him, I wouldn't expect his genes to be churning out a bunch of white people like the person I was initially replying to suggested. TiamatRoar (talk) 22:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

It's not just there aren't any non white people...there will be no extant races 40 000 from now

I'd like to talk a little bit about ethnography. Modern "white" people, that is to say Germanic peoples, descended from an Indo European ethno-linguistic group with origins what is today known as Denmark and Sweden, and through several great migrations, settled most of Europe. This happened around the time of the Roman Empire, 2000 years ago. Back then they counted as just another a minority within the multi-ethnic Roman Empire. After the fall of the Empire, they interbred with the local population, giving rise to the nations from which modern Europeans claim their descent.

So in other words, the ethnic groups that existed 2000 years ago do not exist in the present day. The Italians of today are not ethnically the same as Romans of Antiquity, just as Ancient Greeks weren't modern Greeks, and the peoples of Egypt weren't ancestors of modern Egyptian Arabs, and Bible Hebrews weren't modern Khazar/European convert Ashkenazis. Celts, once nearly ubiquitous in Europe, are now confined to Ireland, Scotland, small parts of England, very north of Spain and Brittany. The Emperor himself, if you subscribe to the Rogue Trader Era background, was not Turkish, since Turks settled Anatolia in the 1000's, but rather a member of a very long lost tribe that likely died out in the waves of migrations before recorded history!

Point is, and I'm sure some of you /pol/ goers won't like what I'm about to write, but most of those ethnicities that existed back then intermixed and culturally assimilated into a greater whole within a settled locality.

Now swallow that, and imagine what will happen 40000 years from now, when humanity is interspersed all across the galaxy on thousands of different planets, with highly variant culture, climate and level of civilization.

Bawl your eyes out, but it's safe to assume that WILL BE NO WHITE race. Just as there will be no blacks, chinese, indians etc. People would have intermixed to such an extent in the void of time, space, prosperity and decline that afflicted Mankind's history in the Warhammer timeline since the days of now, that it's almost certain that none of the current Terran ethnic groups would exist in even remote genetic quantities.

And beyond certain there would be new races and distinct ethnic identities that don't exist today. We can only speculate what these people look like. Perhaps they have so many bionics, aesthetic implants or genetically engineered bodily features, that they won't even appear recognizable as human to modern eyes.

It could be that the average person of the 41st millenium, especially from Terra, might loosely resemble someone of uncertain black, chinese or indian ancestry, but with pale skin due to horrendous nutrition, genetic engineering and lack of sun exposure.

So any people who might appear similar to modern eyes, and be recognized as what we now call "white", aren't so much white because of GW's racism, but rather due to environmental factors. They may be utterly unrelated to modern "Germanic" whites. Conversely, "black" people may not have a drop of Terra African ancestry in them. Their skin pigment may contain large amounts of melanin due to their home planet being close to a star.

Basically what happens is that humanity intermixes, spreads all over the fucking place, and depending on the star system climate, evolves into an infinite amount of separate ethnic groups over the 10 000's of years it occupies said planet. But don't feel down, dear /pol/ fags, rest assured there will still be plenty of opportunity to wage a holy blood war against liberal race denialists in the 41st mellenium, as any form racism or ethnic prejudice that exists today will almost certain be magnified 100x by then.

Salamanders

The Salamanders were never black black. Back in Rogue Trader they're were white and blonde 1 because the gene seed condition wasn't introduced back then. Forward a few years into the mid 90s and the Salamanders were depicted as black but with blonde hair 2. The Salamanders have always been black but morphologically Caucasian. This is true on the miniatures and the illustrations. Ask on /tg/ and someone might post the artworks.

This is a silly article and should never have been made. A classic case of Americans bringing their racepolitic shit where it's not wanted; Terra isn't Earth so leave your race baggage behind. The article exists now and the effort has been put in, so leave it, I guess. -- Yu-gi-oh ! (talk) 01:45, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• Terra IS Earth, just several millennia in the future with a name change in a fictional Tabletop Game setting.

No, it's a fictional planet in a fictional universe. -- Yu-gi-oh ! (talk)

While it is true that Terra is a fictional planet in the sense that it is based in a fiction universe, it has basis in the real world as Earth is Terra. It is why most sci-fi has humans called Terran if they change the name of the race. Our sun for instance is called Sol and our moon is called Luna. When humanity left earth they spread throughout the galaxy, so all humans in 40k were originally from earth. However as shown in some of the material there is so much racial diversity now because of evolution that some of the humans in the setting would be alien to us now. For instance there is a group of humans that are normal except for big ass eyes, like anime big. This is because of the low light of their world and they evolved that way. There are some planets with people with Grey Skin.

Point is that humanity has evolved past the races of their homeworld. Now for why it is mainly white it may be because of the settled areas of the planets. Settling in a more temperate area which humans find the most comfortable could be a reason. Another is remember in hive cities people don't get natural light so the skin would not really darken.Dragoon508 (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Minority Definition Spiel

It can be assumed that for a company which does 90% of its business in North America and Britain would consider non-whites minorities, unless you lack even the most basic knowledge of demographics. The article doesn't require explanations of whether whites are the most prevalent on the planet, as it is entirely irrelevant to the topic of GW, and is instead semantic fucking about. Nor does it need whining about "why doesn't GW open more stores in non-white regions," seeing as the profitability of such a venture is rather questionable, especially when GW is in a financial pinch as it is. --Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 02:17, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• Good points, though where did you get the figure that GW does 90% of their business Britain and North America? (btw do you include Mexico when you say North America?) They also have shops in China and Japan, where non-whites are the majority.

GW's 2014 customer relations report says that 4 stores are open in Asia, out of 414 total, with 3 of those being one-man stores. Even if the new market would have higher purchase rates, they still don't constitute a major segment of GW's profit generation.--Boss Ballkrusha (talk) 16:32, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Raven Guard

Forgive my ignorance if I'm missing something, but what's the reasoning behind "The Raven Guard are black ops Native Americans."?

I know about their pre-Corax tribal origins, but the Legionaires recruited by the Emperor to serve in the XIX were members of "Xeric tribes of the Asiatic Dustfields". Said tribes happened to be at constant war, not only with eachother, but with the neighboring Yndonesic Bloc.

Needless to say, North America Merica is quite far from Indonesia the Yndonesic Bloc.

Assuming the sea levels haven't changed in tens of thousands of years, and with "neighboring" in mind, this narrows down the possibilities to adjacent territories: Oceania and the rest of Southeast Asia (depending on how much of Southeast Asia belongs to the Yndonesic Bloc). Now remember, the Xeric tribes originate from the Asiatic Dustfields. That only leaves Southeast Asia as the location we're looking for, if the name is to be believed. This is as far as we'll go.

So my conclusion here is that the early Legionnaires of the Raven Guard were taken from the once-Southeast-Asian region of Terra, and that their tribal traditions stem from their indigenous background. Sounds reasonable to me.

HOWEVER, all of that only applies to the pre-Corax XIX, since their tribal identity seems have been stripped from them when Corax realized that the XIX was too cold-blooded and savage, possibly because it was used to mercilessly obliterate anyone not willing to submit to the Imperium, on top of their already violent background, and reformed it to turn the tribal bloodthirsty savages in power armor into respectable tactical emo super soldiers. And then the Horus Heresy happened.

As if Corax's reforms weren't enough, the Raven Guard lost 96% of its roster during the Drop Site Massacre, and since their homeworld is the moon Deliverance, it's safe to assume that they recruit Aspirants from its population, making the mostly (if not totally) lost tribal identity of the former (now mostly dead) Legionnaires even less relevant than it was before. That's less relevant than irrelevant.

That doesn't mean I think that entry should be removed, all I'm saying is that the location is wrong, and their tribal tendencies were eradicated very early in the post-Corax XIX, not to mention their losses during the Drop Site Massacre eradicating it again. I would change it myself but I'm actually not sure about their location, it's all assumptions. But then again, I found no evidence that the Raven Guard's early Legionnaires came from Merica.

TL;DR: The Raven Guard's early recruits were Southeast-Asian tribals, the XIX's role in the Unfication Wars made them way too bloodthirtsy, Corax didn't like it and decided to slap some sense into his Legionnaires, possibly erasing their tribal tendencies along the way. Then they got their asses handed to them during the Drop Site Massacre and lost 96% of their roster, with new Aspirants being recruited from Deliverance, making the "tribal" aspect of the XIX non-existent at the present day. I'm not going to edit the page because I could be wrong. Please let me know if I am.

On a sidenote, this article is pretty good, people just need to stop getting butthurt over fictional minorities in a fictional setting. Yeah, most people in the WH40k universe are depicted as white, but who cares, really? Remember, fictional setting, these people aren't real.

--201.21.143.170 06:47, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Why does this page exist?

Which is to say, what purpose does it serve? It isn't a useful guide on demographics, as it does nothing but name characters. Ethnicity isn't exactly relevant to the 40k setting, where having blue and violet skin is much more interesting to the Inquisition than varying shades of brown/beige. It is also both inaccurate and presumptuous to assume what constitutes a "minority" in the 21st-century United States correlates in any way to the demographics of the grim darkness of the far future. In addition to the lack of useful information, the article makes no attempt to be humorous or otherwise amusing to read. By possessing neither of these qualities, I fail to see how this page contributes to the wiki, and would be inclined to flag it for deletion.--23.115.162.18 03:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Britain is mostly white. They write about what they know, in the far future. Some people want exceptions.--68.204.237.58 03:33, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

And what makes these exceptions such a big deal? If there aren't many minorities, it's the fa/tg/uys' fault for not being smart enough to *gasp* use a different skin color on their dudes. In any event, it's humorless, boring, and says nothing about the actual characters save for the color of their skin- which is ironically more racist than anything GeeDubs will ever do by implying that their ethnicity is literally the only thing that matters about them. --Newerfag (talk) 04:35, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

When you have a setting where people can be normal if they literally have grey skin or heck even orange, you can't really say that the setting has no minorities. We could always redirect the page though instead of deleting it. Redirect it to abhumans, whom are the true minorities in the imperiumDragoon508 (talk) 04:44, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Could work, though I'm sure people will bitch no matter what happens to the page. Newerfag (talk) 04:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I know that the article in question is long gone (and the better for it), but I'd still like to add this little quote for future reference to /pol/ tards.

"Fantasy folks just wouldn't have the same perception of race as we do; Fantasy is a world where Black and White have put their differences aside and teamed up on Green."" --Sir Terry PratchettSkadooshbag (talk) 17:01, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

On article deletion.

I do not think this page is necessary, beacause (at least for what I've seen) the issues it deals with are already adressed in the corresponding faction/character/author pages.