Talk:Mortifactors
I disagree that they got more "honor", no I will not add a u to honor, in the Ursa campaign. Firstly, they cooperated with the Inquisition. This is NEVER the honorable thing to do (unless the Inquisitor in question is Barzano, Vail, Ravenor or Eisenhorn and pretty much ONLY those 4). Secondly, when the bitchass Kryptman was called on his shit their Chaplain goes all teachers pet and is essentially hiding behind the Inquisitor and sticking his tongue out. Thirdly, their bony Chapter Mater (are the bones as effective as normal power armor?) only agreed to help the Ultramarines after he forced one of them to drink blood (his blood I think...WTF!?), which I thought was just for the Blood Angels. Despite the fact that he was HONOR bound to provide assistance. Sure it was an ancient agreement, but I would bet Magyar would have used it had his world been endangered, he might not admit it, but he would. Fourthly and yes this is the last thing, the one time they actually accomplish something they only succeeded due to the sacrifice of a second ship on their behalf. If anything ALL the honor from that event goes to the dead crew of that second ship. Before anyone bitches, no I am not an Ultramarine fan. Personally I like the Blood Ravens and Blood Angels best. But the "smurfs" as so many here are fond of calling them are NOT a bad chapter. I get it a bunch of you are upset about Ward. He's gone. Offers supportive manly hug.--OmnipotentBystander (talk) 05:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- if you think the word is wrong, then change it. I appreciate that you took it to the talk page to air your disagreements and that's perfectly fine. (Though cooperating with Eisenhorn certainly would never be honourable since he's a known renegade these days, plus the Inquisition doesn't have THAT bad a reputation amongst space marines, you've only named the ones from the books and that "bitchass" Kryptman , along with Angmar, is respected as one of the most authoritative figures on Tyranids) As for the Matt Ward thing, I'm personally getting tired of people constantly jumping on the "every critisicm of the Ultramarines is Ward hate" bandwagon. seriously it cheapens the argument when there really are legitimate criticisms of a chapters actions. We know Ward is gone, but there is evidence of controversy enough in sources that have nothing to do with him, not just with Ultramarines as no chapter is spotless.--Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 04:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Mostly I was joking about the added u in...nevermind. Eisenhorn is a renegade, but that does not keep him from being both right and honorable. In point of fact most of the Puritans have little to no claim to honor or moral rightness. Similarly, Kryptmans being an "in-universe" authority means nothing with regards to his lack of honor and the lack of honor of those who serve him. As to the Inquisitions rep, that is just publicity for you. With the sole exception of the Ordo Xenos they are worse than the forces they fight and even in the Ordo Xenos most are asshats like Krypty. Which of course the Space Marines (sans Space Wolves and Celestial Lions) are unaware of. You can see that in my user page I express that my knowledge is restricted to the novels and so are any and all assertions I make, if there are more "decent" Inquisitors mentioned in some Codex somewhere I will be both surprised and pleased. As to the Ward thing, I can think of no other reason to bash the novels Ultramarines given that they were unquestionably in the right during the Ursa campaign.--OmnipotentBystander (talk) 05:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- It sounds to me that most of arguments can be summed up as "well, that's my opinion". That's fine and all, but at least pretend to be objective. Think of it this way- if the Inquisition was full of incompetent asshats, the Imperium as a whole would have ceased to exist several times over. And even Space Marines who think them dishonorable acknowledge that they get results, and quite frankly that's all the Inquisition cares about. I suggest you start reading the Lexicanum and the Inquisition codex before jumping to any more conclusions. (Oh, and as for Eisenhorn- I am almost positive he gave up anything resembling honor when he started working alongside the fucking Alpha Legion.)--Newerfag (talk) 05:57, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Very fair point with regards to the useless thing, I retract that adjective. I stand by my asshat assessment. What I mean is I prefer when one of the first options on the table is NOT exterminatus for the Inquisitors. True, it gets results, but honorable we both know it aint. Besides which, c'mon, objectivity on a website with the 'chan' suffix? This all is TOTAllY my opinion, but I am at least supporting it a little. Does anyone know why there is a 40k wikia and the Lexicanum by the way? Been on both, still never seen any other decent Inqs than the ones I listed. Are there others? I am writing this smiling because so far everyone has been civil, on other sites I would have had my mother insulted twice by now, so thanks for actually making me feel sorta welcome withthe whole friendly discourse.--OmnipotentBystander (talk) 06:35, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I've changed the line to something less contentious. As for the decent inquisitors thing, you have to remember that honour is subjective, but generally speaking, Lord Hector Rex is probably bro-tier, being able to manage relations with several chapters simultaneously, soloing a daemon-lord and getting an audience with Big Emps. Torquemada Cotaez is probably less so, but he's reckoned to be competent enough to have whole worlds working for him without being a tyrant, while one story has him making a verbal case that convinced an entire conclave of one senior inquisitor's own heresy. Inquisitor Czevak is a special case, despite being a legend and being quoted all over older rulebooks, he's a bit eccentric and is pretty much a heretic, but by you-and-I standards he's actually not a bad guy. Also I've got nothing against you or your mother, let me welcome you to 1d4chan! --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- There's quite a few differences between Lexicanum and the wukia, but the simplest version is that Lexicanum has a lot of information on obscure fluff and has a lot more articles since it's been around for longer than the wikia, but it's also slower to update and the articles themselves tend to be somewhat short. They also have a boner for citations that would give Wikipedia a run for its money, but on the other hand the site isn't plastered all over with ads. I've linked our page on them, which has more comparisons between the two. --Newerfag (talk) 19:32, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Destructoin of Posul: Is it possible there are many planets with the same names? Like how there are a ton of towns all called Springfield?
