Talk:Space Wolves

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Dark Angels?[edit]

The article doesn't contain a single mentioning of the Dark Angels! HERESY! Henners91 11:51, 22 February 2012 (UTCt the dark angels are heresy.

Do you even read Bro? Its says Space Wolfs page, if you want DA stuff go to their page

Well he has a point, considering their rivalry/hate, writing in each of their pages about their views of their shared history would be nice, or atleast having a mention of their relation --Arenuphis (talk) 17:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Wooden shield[edit]

Actually, a wooden shield might well be effective in that situation. A shield that would stop a bolter round completely would be heavy and comparatively expensive; when all you need is to trigger the bolt's fuse before it hits your armor, a thin wooden shield might just work. 02:34, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

A goddamn space marine can't find anything better than wood to use as a shield? For fuck's sake if they can carry storm shields they can carry basic steel ones.

Warzone: Fenris[edit]

I'm actually surprised at how chill people seem to be with the change in fluff that Curse of the Wulfen had brought. I'd have expected people to be more up in arms about it.

Honestly, as far as space wolves lore goes, there's such a huge difference between the tabletop material (codecies, suppliments, etc) and the first person space wolves' viewpoints from the novels... In the books we get wolves who are basically just particularly loud, boisterous marines with the occasional wolf-symbol and the canis helix, compared to the tabletop wolves who wolf wolf wolf when they wolf their wolven wolfy wolfer. The only time in any of the books that I've EVER seen an actual fenrisian wolf is when Ragnar kills one in his first book. At this point I've pretty much just assumed that anything related to the tabletop army isn't actually canon: it's just myths and folklore about the wolves that have been started by the people they've saved.

that makes sense actually. But i will admit, the one thing regarding wolves i do like is Thunder wolf calvary. Vikings riding wolves into battle is pretty manly.

Space Wolves v Inquisition[edit]

This page is not for fanfic wanking about the supposed morality of the inquisition or the space wolves. I don't really take a stance on this matter, so I set up a neutral replacement for what was there, and provided a link to the page where such discussion is actually relevant. Also, before you go commmenting on the months of shame, actually read The Emperor's Gift. It wasn't quite as black and white as it appeared.

Too many god damn intro quotes.[edit]

I really think we should cut down to one quote, rather than fucking four. Of the four, I'd say the Havamal quote or the quote by Magnus would be the best ones to keep. The other two, about discipline and fear, don't really offer any insight into the wolves, what with all marines having no fear, and the wolves being notably undisciplined (for space marines anyway).

The Havamal quote is basically saying better to have a weapon and not need one than need one and not have it, and the Magnus quote is basically the fan's thoughts on things.

Personally I'd say the Havamal quote should stay, for three reasons.

1. Based on a viking story, so it's appropriate to the culture.

2. It wins out over the Magnus one in my mind because it's not dissing the chapter in the opening of their own page.

3. A saying about having a spear and not needing it really fits for a chapter sitting on top of the absolutely ludicrous amount of "spears" the wolves have (10 battle barges, 30(!) strike cruisers, and 100+ dreadnoughts anyone?).

Considered just changing it myself but I'd like to hear some other thoughts on it before I edit. Josman (talk) 17:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Or, you know, we could just change it without taking in any opinions, that works too. Josman (talk) 22:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Fresh Edit War[edit]

"The original fists/dangles comment was meant to portray their flaws"

Actually, in the original use it was specifically used to contrast the loud and boisterous nature of the wolves with their more quiet and stoic cousins, but the whole thing has been moved around so many times that it hardly connects to that point at all anymore.

"Way more people needs justification"

In the Emperor's Gift, it's explicitly stated that because the Space Wolves successfully evacuated many of the people on armageddon, the Inquisition had to track down any colonies and settlements the colonists had been evacuated to and deal with them the same way, so as to keep the information about demons from spreading.

"the ragnar books are a weak source" The one I'm referencing most heavily is the most recent ADB one, which came out like two years ago and is as cannon as anything Black Library.

Anything else? Because all these arguments have been had before, at great length, and what was there already was the result. Josman (talk) 01:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

That "compromise" was actually worse than your initial rewrite. First off, any idiot can see the contrast. What leading off with flaws does is remind everyone that no chapter is perfect going in. "Each chapter has flaws, here are the specific ones of this faction." Now, about the Thousand Sons. You've spouted this "exact same" idiocy before. Thousand Sons Tutelaries are Chaos familiars. The Rune Priests do not use Chaos Familiars. When they talk about the power of Fenris, they mean Warp energy, not fucking daemons. You can't rewrite fluff to fit the false equivalencies you imagine. In Inferno, Rune Priests are shown in both fluff and crunch to be less susceptible to corruption and more wary of the Warp than the Thousand Sons. This has been exhaustively pointed out elsewhere. Furthermore, in The Wolf King, Russ straight-up decides that he's had enough of the internal affairs shit, and pretending this didn't happen ignores one of the few examples of legitimate character development in all of 40k.EatTheRich (talk) 01:23, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
And enough with this "Uncle Guilliman" shit. The independence and stubborness of the Wolves is more likely to piss him off than anything else. And why spout off on civilians when we have a dedicated section directly below? EatTheRich (talk) 01:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
What? No smug commentary? Okay, I have some. You have a tendency to consistently act like the Wolves are exactly the same as the Flesh Tearers/Thousand Sons/whoever, in spite of the Wolves actively saving people at Thressiax, Honour's End, and Armageddon (not all of the Inquisition's purge was successful). Not to mention Sanctus Reach. This points to a consistent track record of looking out for the little guy. The Flesh Tearers have nothing of the like. Furthermore, in Inferno, the Rune Priests have Runic Matrices to keep the Warp from corrupting or overwhelming them at the expense of raw power, a clear contrast to the XVth. EatTheRich (talk) 02:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

"Any idiot can see the contrast"

Does "any idiot" include the person who originally wrote it and knows exactly what the comparison was meant to be before it was edited several times?

Know one of the wonderful parts of being on a wiki? People take your words and ideas and use them in different ways, which may replace how you intended them to be used. Funny, that's also quite common on /tg/... EatTheRich (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, very true. But your point was to say I shouldn't alter the content of that line because I "couldn't see the meaning". No matter how you look at what you just said, it justifies my change.

Everything about the 1ksons

I know. The sorcery shit doesn't equate. Russ's issue with the 1ksons wasn't based in what they were doing, it was in how they didn't control themselves. Same as his issue with the World Eater's blood thirst, and the Dark Angels standoffishness. Russ didn't care about your flaws until they started to mess with the Emperor's plans. However a LOT of people say it does, and considering that this section of the artical is a "flaws" section, (ergo what equates to an opinion piece that's about as canonically reliable as the MARY SUE BLUBERREYS!!!1! shit on the Ultramarines page. Is it true? Not really. But it should remain, because a lot of /tg/ sees it that way, and this is the /tg/ wiki.

What? "It's not true but an increasingly small percentage of /tg/ thinks it so we have to present it as the absolute truth." That's your grand defense?
To this I have two responses. First, would you advocate wiping away all the complaints about the Ultramarines being Mary Sues from their page? If yes, at least you're consistent, and I'd concede the point. If no, it seems like you've just picked a favorite and want to portray them in the best possible light. Second, do you seriously not see the point in illustrating what /tg/ thinks on a /tg/'s wiki?

"Uncle Guilliman shit"

How does that track considering that, so far as I know, Guilliman is the only primarch other than Lorgar who ever expressed anything positive towards the wolves? Guilliman has quite a healthy respect for the wolves, at least he did 10 thousand years ago, and nowadays, when they've become even more heroic than before? When they've fought under his banner and command at least twice canonically? What reason do you have to see emnity there?

Vulkan and Corax were also very much supportive of the Wolves. Guilliman nearly had Dorn branded a heretic for telling him where he could shove his codex, how would he feel about the Wolves? EatTheRich (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Guilliman will be quite satisfied with the fact that they've reduced their size to around 1000 marines and attempted to make successor chapters! That said, the *only* part of the Codex Astartes that Guilliman was willing to enforce with violence was the "no legions" rule, so it's way more likely he'd fight with the Lion's boys than Russ's.
Still way above 1,000. 2-3000, including a massive fleet, Wulfen, Thunderwolf Cavalry, etc. Not to mention that inividual Wolves are more than a match for individual Ultras/Fists.
Citation needed. Because going by the 7E codex, The Great Wolf's company is the largest with just under 300 marines, followed by Ragnar's, with just over 150. Either way, the point is largely irrelivent, because even if each space wolf can kill 5 other marines before he dies, they still wouldn't have the strength to challenge the Ultramarines and their successors, which is all Guilliman cares about. A 5 to 1 kill ratio (which is highly, highly optimistic) doesn't mean much against an opponent who outnumbers you 30 to 1. Sure sure, your wolf sues are wonderful, but they can't stand to a legion, which is what matters.

Also, relax dude. This is an internet argument about space werewolves. No one stands to lose anything, save dignity, if they were for example to freak the fuck out for no apparent reason about s00per s3r1ous spess dudes. Josman (talk) 02:12, 8 August 2017 (UTC) Learn to have a little fun, man. You'll come off as a lot less smug and a lot more likable. EatTheRich (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

"What, no reply? NOTHING TO SAY, HMMM>?????!?!?!??!11!one"
Dude. One, that's adorable. Two, how old are you? Josman (talk) 02:13, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Dude, one, you were taking too long so I had to get your attention. Two, am I the only one having fun and screwing around a little? The fact you think I'm completely serious is a little very worrying. LOOK AT ME I'M SO MATURE BECAUSE I CAN STATE THE OBVIOUS. EatTheRich (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Teasing aside (I had a little too much to drink, sorry), the section as it stands is okay by my standards. EatTheRich (talk) 02:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

"I'm okay with the section as it stands, so long as it remains completely neutered to the point where it defeats its own purpose just by existing!"
Yeah, okay. Josman (talk) 02:36, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm fine with it as is usually doesn't mean "feel free to change it back to your shitty rewrite which you can't even properly defend."
No, that's true, but when you've yet to really address any of the points I've made with anything other than weak snark and deflection, it doesn't incline me to preserve your opinion piece. Josman (talk) 03:00, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Also, please for the love of the Emperor's golden toilet, learn to work with fewer edits. Josman (talk) 03:00, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. You've just shown me, with your smug attitude, your ignoring my points while claiming I'm not making them, and pretending you're any less opinionated than I am, why I've had enough of this community. You couldn't survive a year in my sneakers, yet you lecture me as if you're superior? From now on, I'm sticking to the real world. EatTheRich (talk) 03:06, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead and waste your life on this site, I've found myself again! Just when I thought I didn't have the guts to come out of the depths! Ever heard These Streets by Bastille? EatTheRich (talk) 03:10, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay, you really have to sleep off the alcohol. We can continue this, or not, tomorrow. Josman (talk) 03:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)