Talk:Swarmlord

Issues with "The Reality" Section

I have shifted this entire section of the Swarmlord temporarily so that Nicol bolas and the opposing party can discuss civilly whether it should be kept, deleted or modified. Peace out yo. Derpysaurus

""Completely shits all over the swarmlords article. you dont see people on the emperors page writing "oh he is a filthy corpse emperor and he sucks fuck the emperor! as it will get deleted within seconds by emperor fanboys. if for example that article only praises and respects the emperor, then the one tyranid character with personality shouldnt be shatten all over. Also "This article is awesome, do not fuck it up." ~Nicol bolas

The section in particular:

The truth of the Swarmlord's 'achievements' in the actual story are a lot more dubious though. The Swarmlord itself has rarely, if ever, won a battle against another major enemy faction, usually only winning if its enemies are unknown members of some barely mentioned group not encountered till it fought them, and this 'fearsome' Tyranid 'master strategist' has lost almost every major battle its been involved in, from Macragge to Ichar and again on Kolovan (in particular if the Swarmlord is ever going up against an Ultramarine named character, then you know the war is as good as lost for the Tyranid already).

His reputation as a dangerous fighter is also a little more suspect in the fluff. Despite being described as the 'Pinnacle of Tyranid Evolution' and, thus, something akin to a Tyranid Primarch, the Swarmlord has fallen in combat numerous times when fighting against opponents you'd think a super-duper Hive Tyrant grown to specifically be the 'best of the best' the Tyranid have to offer should be able to beat. The Swarmlord has only ever had one proper fight with Marneus Calgar, in which the two squared off without minions assisting them, and the Swarmlord lost that battle quite handily. Ortan Cassius has killed the Swarmlord too, actually, and the Swarmlord has absolutely no impressive one-on-one victories in the fluff against any known major character.

To date the only significant enemy the Swarmlord has fought a campaign against and not lost is when it battled Khorne's Blood Crusade to a tie, although it should be noted it only achieved this with the assistance of Ghazghkull and his Orks.

All in all the reality is that, if the Swarmlord is the pinnacle of Tyranid evolution, then things don't necessarily look so bad, as this Hive Tyrant consistently fails the moment it meets any serious resistance. Like Ghazghkull and Abaddon the Swarmlord is yet another enemy who is far more hyped then it deserves, seeing as it has lost almost every well-known fight it has been involved in. Unlike the former two examples it is true the Swarmlord at least tends not to run away like a coward, but the end result is that the Swarmlord has simply died more often as it has never achieved anything via this approach.

I do note that it screams "grudge" that Swarmy alone seems to need that kind of section while all the other faction big-shots that end up being paper tigers get off scot-free. I say cut it from the article. --Newerfag (talk) 04:26, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

But Ghazghkull and Abaddon have such sections, it was not done to just the Swarmlord. I also added a similar section to the Beast's entry and to Eldrad's entry. I have no grudge against the Swarmlord but its important to note he's basically never fought a major battle he didn't lose in and he was killed by Calgar one-on-one but needed help to beat Calgar. I would like to then ask that this section be restored, if the grounds for removing it are that it 'singled out' the Swarmlord I have now, I believe, produced evidence that it does not. For example the Emperor example being used makes no sense; the Emperor defeats numerous foes, wins numerous battles all of import, thus estabilishing himself as impressive within the canon with concrete examples. The Swarmlord does none of these things Malignant (talk) 06:41, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

• • Must I restore the section myself in? I'm more than willing to I just want to make sure that it is the proper procedure since I don't want to break any rules. Malignant (talk) 21:13, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Tbh

Swarm is the only Tyranid character with any personality, and then having an article praise him and then right after wards make him sound worthless is just contradicting itself. As said before, no one insults/craps all over any chaos primarchs or other things of the latter, as it's deleted almost instantaneously,so why should the Tyranids one character with personality be treated differently? I feel like the nids are always overshadowed by other factions and underappreciated by most, so I don't think the swarmlord should be treated like dirt on his own article while other characters receive nothing but praise and adulation. Sincerely--Nicol bolas (talk) 01:01, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Abaddon, Eldrad, the Beast and Ghazghkull all have such sections. The Swarmlord should indeed be treated no differently, and thus have such a section. --2001:8003:38B7:5200:CCBF:3EDF:5BD8:AF2 02:45, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

But the Swarmlord isn't being singled out. Like the above comment points out Abaddon, Eldrad, the Beast and Ghazghkull all recieve the same treatment. If you want to take it further than most Craftworld articles also point out how pathetic they are, and Eldorath Starbane's article also makes fun of how much a loser he is. Don't get me wrong, I agree the nids get overshadowed a lot, but I don't think its any worse than how the Orks or Eldar get treated either. Even Vect now gets an article talking about his recent suckiness, and I think most of his accomplishments list is a load of crap. The fact is that, canonically, the Swarmlord just basically loses constantly. I'm sorry if you don't like that, I don't, but it is canon so I see no reason not to reflect it in the article. If that's okay I'd like to add it back in again. Maybe reach a compromise? Point out how its unfortunate that due to GW using the Swarmlord purely as a punching bag its ended up looking so pathetic?Malignant (talk) 10:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

ill add it back in, with changes --Nicol bolas (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I'd prefer to remove all of those sections (save for Abaddon's since in his case it's reached memetic status). As far as I can tell, they're really all just manifestations of the same basic issue that since Space Marines (and the Imperium as a whole, to a lesser extent) are GW's golden boys, nobody can inflict a major defeat on them under any circumstances except maybe Chaos, and even then it's never quite enough to wipe them out. After all, if they were truly beaten, how are they going to keep pushing their bestsellers? If you still want to complain about it, add that to the Space Marines or Imperium pages. --Newerfag (talk) 18:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Fucking imperial fags.--Nicol bolas (talk) 04:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Did this article get sabotaged?

What the hell is up with the new added photos?? Is this a joke and I just don't get it?? We'll probably have to delete it. --Alumno Alumno (talk) 06:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

• Its some persistent faggot that has been vandalizing random pages with nonsensical images for a year now. We have banned his ass several times but he keeps on coming back by using different IPs. I asked Wikifag and Assistantwikifag on whether we should bring back the whole policy of 'anons being unable to upload images until they create a account' several months back but so far there was very little confirmation. Derpysaurus