Talk:The Cold War

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The Russian Empire's treatment of minorities[edit]

Simply put, the Russian Empire was not a nice place in general and often a worse place if you were not Russian. There were numerous progroms (in of itself a Russian Word) and acts of discrimination. Among other things Tsars found out that Ethnic Nationalism directed against various outsiders was a way of deflecting criticism away from their regime. There was a considerable wave of Jewish Immigration in the late 19th century from the Russian Empire to the US and Canada specifically to escape said persecution. Other minority groups were similarly subject to discrimination and violence. If minorities had certain privileges, these were clearly outweighed by a massive pile of negative. Saying "they were not subject to conscription" is not really valid, especially since Jews were conscripted into the Russian Imperial Army after 1827 and until the Revolution.--A Walrus (talk) 13:22, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I assume what you say is true, and I have some knowledge of the discrimination from secondhand research on swords. Still, not being forced into conscription could be mentioned as a way to insert a dark joke. For example, what if one said "Minorities fared much better by not being forcibly conscripted, and got all the pogroms and purges that went along with that "privilege"? I'd say that finding a way to organically integrate both would make the offending sentence much better. -- 20:27, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
As a dark joke it works, just as long as that context is given.--A Walrus (talk) 21:49, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
We're not talking about Jews (those who followed Judaism, to be precise), pay attention, they were not "the illiterate peasants", and their position in Russian Empire was notoriously bad. Yet from a legal standpoint it was better to be Polish, Finnish, Azeri or Kazakh peasant than a Russian one, exactly due to either reduced taxes, local laws or exemption from conscription. Can the life of those people be considered "good"? Hell no. Should one pretend that everybody but Russians got the same treatment as Jews? Also no. -- 21:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)