Talk:The Last Ringbearer

How is this fanfic amazing in any way? It sounds like a by the book "The Good guys were really evil, Bad Guys were really good" I've seen thousand of times over.

• The difference being, if you had, you know, done teh google, is that this fan-fiction was actually published in the USSR (and in other locations). Or maybe that it was published back when the iron curtain was still a recent memory, and therefore the USSR-communist viewpoint was still around and fresh enough to serve as a foil for Tolkien's work? But, hey, research is hard. I get that, so, you know, here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/90t0sc -23.17.82.15 08:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
• Communist propaganda does not make good writing. The writer should have stuck to the spiders.
• So its horribly dated, and a strawman, good to know.
  • I'm with D715 here- Dianetics was published worldwide, but that doesn't automatically make it good either. And something about this page just screams "shill" to me between the "of course you've read it" assumption and the claim that it's the "REAL" story (you know, despite the fact it's a fucking fanfiction). Even if it isn't, it's hardly worth keeping.--Newerfag (talk) 15:46, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
• Well, the book is well thought-out, and in no way communist propaganda. It's a good book on it's own and a fine example of Fantasy analysis from the scientific viewpoint. And generally it's not about "good guys are bad", as everyone except elves does what they think is the best for the people of middle-earth. Yes, even Aragorn. In fact, despite being the dick a size of Eldrad Aragorn actually kick-starts Gondorian technological revolution, and therefore is remembered as one of the greatest leaders of his nation, despite his undead army and spy network shenanigans.Mezmerro (talk) 16:05, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Still, I'm not entirely sure how well it stands out on its own merits. and the author missed the point that Tolkien deliberately made the whole setting with a black and white morality, with both sides clearly defined and labeled "good" and "bad". And the man had a very dim view of industrialization- I can't speak for him, but I highly doubt he would approve of the interpretation of his work that this story conveys (or of the Communist state in general at that matter). Besides, how do you perform a "fantasy analysis from the scientific viewpoint"? Call me a purist, but that just sounds like a whole lot of empty buzzwords that translate into "this guy put way more thought into this than is probably necessary to enjoy it". Besides, can't we just slap a subsection onto the main Lord of the Rings article which conveys all the info this one gives? If you take out the plot synopsis, there isn't much actual substance to the article.--Newerfag (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Well the think is at the time, industrialization wasn't very moral, child workers, zero health care, high risk of death/arm lose, zero quality control, mass health risk as a result of population and poor handling of waste ect. Also as a lot of people forget, Tolkien wasn't 100% anti-industrialization he was anti-people being dicks. Saruman was deliberately ruining the Shire the Hobbit who started it wasn't protrayed as being bad. Mordor is powerful because of its industrialization since that's the only way the Sauron can feed/arm his massive orc horde and they have the best medicine because of it, again the thing is Sauron is an asshole.
    • So in other words, the author was butthurt because Tolkien didn't portray industrialization the way Mother Russia said it should be portrayed and rewrote the story so it wouldn't offend him, all while ignoring the context of said portrayal. What a baby. More importantly, if he published it and makes money off of this, then why hasn't the Tolkien estate sued him yet?--Newerfag (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
      • Well there's a reason why its never been published in English unless as a free e-book.
        • You mean besides the fact that nobody is stupid enough to buy fanfiction? Either way, the point is that this article doesn't need to exist since all the info it contains can just be added to the main LOTR page. (Even then it will have to be rewritten so it doesn't come off as claiming it's superior to the original work.) Also, it would be a good idea for you to sign your comments in the future.--Newerfag (talk) 01:51, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
          • That didn't stop 50 Shades of Grey. As for the topic of this page, I'd either think it needs to be rewritten from a more objective standpoint (The fact that it was written in the USSR should be in there at least), or it should be a section on the LotR page. I only found this by random page surfing, and it was enough to pique my interest, but I can understand why people would want to get rid of it. --Hiddenkrypt (talk) 13:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, no. This is basically your typical 13 year old "capitalism is cancer" edgelord's fanfic that completely misses the point of what Tolkien was trying to do. Why is this a page? Just because "it was big in a defunct state" doesn't make it relevant or good.

This page is worthless. Delete. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 20:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC) 08:01, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Bit drastic and possibly overdamatic to jump straight to deletion when we could start from, say, a complete rewrite from the ground up that doesn't blatantly try to upsell the subject matter. --LGX-000 (talk) 23:38, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty to add a section on the LOTR pages for The Last Ringbearer. As I am obviously biased due to this abortion existing to begin with, I would recommend we add to that page, with the intent that we finally delete this bloody page.--Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 16:43, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Rightio

Template's been updated, long-overdue explicit challenge to rewrite posed. Let's see who steps up. --LGX-000 (talk) 04:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)