Talk:Thunder Warriors

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Theoretically, if the Thunder Warriors were ever to be represented on the tabletop, what do think their profile would look like? What special rules and weapons would they have??

I'm really curious...--Tw6464 (talk) 15:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Probably they would have reverse custodes stats, more like WS 6 and BS 5, but S 5 and T 5. 2 W with artificer armor 2+, or even 3 W with thunder warrior armor 3+.

  • I was thinking that maybe their save would be slighty worse... like 4+ or something. Also, they'd probably have some sort of rule that slows them down, to reflect the fact that Mark 1 power armor does not enhance the user's physical capabilities--Tw6464 (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm thinking WS/BS 4, S/T 5, 1 wound and I 3, low leadership, the 5 ed Rage rule, Fearless, 2 attacks base, 4+ Armour save (or 3+ with 5/4" movement instead). Squads of 10-20, bolters standard, entire unit may switch to bolt pistol/CCW, sergeant can have some wargear options, one unit in the army may take the same standard as the Custodes (but only if the Custodes don't). They're troop choices with Custodes elites and archeotech fast attack/heavy support. Not 100% but if the Sisters of Silence are a thing yet they're Elite choices also. HQ is a leader Custodes, Thunder Warrior or Sister of Silence, possibly with a smallish commandsquad with loads (and I mean LOADS) of potential for customisation. Special Characters are the Emperor, Malcador, Valedor, Krole and Arik Taranis.

I actually did find some interesting thunder warrior codices on a few websites
perhaps these some ideas from these could be adapted into their own codex?--Tw6464 (talk) 14:57, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Arik Taranis could not have founded the Sons of Antaeus.[edit]

This is a re-post from the Sons of Antaeus page, but I figure I might as well post it here too since Arik Taranis could not have founded any Space Marine chapters, and these are two reasons why: So let's lock down why it's a stupid idea to think that the Sons of Antaeus come from a Thunder Warrior. First of all Thunder Warriors don't have gene-seed. Arik managed to get a progenoid gland from one of the outcast dead, however if he was going to try and found a new chapter from that they would have the same gene-seed as the marine he got it from, they wouldn't suddenly become a cross between marines and Thunder Warriors. Second of all (and this is the most damning) he'd need to get a ticket to Mars and infiltrate the Adeptus Mechanicus in order to assist in making them in the first place, which on its own would be impossible. The Sons of Antaeus didn't show up out of nowhere, they were made alongside the other Cursed Founding chapters and putting these theories into the main pages is nothing short of fantasy. -- Triacom (talk) 01:46, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to think that was obvious, but it seems like we need to smack down simpletons regularly these days. Such is life. --Newerfag (talk) 05:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
It reminds me of the times I had to delete sections from pages from people who speculated about the 'Custodes gene-seed', either in what it entailed or similarities between it and marine chapters. If they actually had a gene-seed I'd have left those sections alone. -- Triacom (talk) 12:44, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, that was even funnier when it turned out they were made with a entirely different process. Good times. --Newerfag (talk) 15:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
I think I added that thunder warrior speculation on the Sons of Antaeus a while ago, I believe you reverted it, Triacom. Looking over the theory, I agree it's incorrect so my bad. Tyranid Memestealer (talk) 01:10, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Future possibilities in Black Library fluff?[edit]

So Outcast Dead was released quite a number of years ago now and deals with events during the Mid-heresy era. Perhaps Geedubs have decided not to go the route of following Arik and Ghota's story but the novel seemed to make a strong point of having neither die and of nicely sequel-baiting with the epilogue in which his experiment with the progenoid gland (possibly growing a new one?) 'worked'. Then? Silence.

So; do we think this OP mofo will re-emerge in the fluff and in what capacity? Could his almost Emperor-level knowledge of genetic manipulation (which the novel makes a point of saying only Emps in the whole Imperium by that period could match) come to fruition elsewhere in the form of more Thunder Warriors appearing? Or is this simply a way of making sure that he and Ghota stay in the game for future possibilities to keep their options open? Or even just the author doing so in case he feels a brainwave and wants to come back to their tale at some point? --Wilkovian (talk) 15:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

On Custodes Aging[edit]

The 7th and 8th ed Codices both make it very clear Custodes do not age, and they only retire either because they're physically and/or mentally worn down through their duties, or they've suffered some sort of grave injury that prevents them from being fulfilling their duties. Time has no effect on how they're worn down, unless we count it as time spent doing their job, with The Companions being listed as the one with the highest turnover rate. Furthermore stating that they get worn down through doing their job doesn't really have any purpose being listed here when the topic is about the Thunder Warrior's shorter lifespans, and that's why I removed it. -- Triacom (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing with you. The Emperor made his Custodians, and his Astartes biologically immortal. Full stop. My point is: that what is the point of doing so for the Thunder Warriors if they were only designed for one job and you had their replacement waiting in the wings? if they were kept around afterwards they would eventually degrade to injury, like a bionic limb here, or a new eye there. Or get mentally drained and slow down to the point of error, these things are inevitable even for the immortal Custodians, who "will eventually tire". Immortal Thunder Warriors would have eventually become a bunch of immortal misfits that were good for nothing and have to be dealt with eventually, so why not Ararat? --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 18:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
The only thing I'm disagreeing with is that mentioning injuries and stress slowing down the Custodes on the page since it's pointless to mention that in regards to their short lifespan, since the only point there is that the Emperor could've made them live longer and fixed their various issues, and he chose not to. We're agreeing on the same thing except that I don't see mentioning long-term effects as necessary, since by their inclusion it makes you look like you're arguing against making them live longer because they'll eventually suffer their long-term ill effects. -- Triacom (talk) 19:04, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I see your point, after the last edit I hope the issue is fixed. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)