Talk:Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Dark Eldar(8E)

Given the nature of the Codex changes, it may be a good idea to start sorting the units into their relevant subtypes (Kabal, Wch Cult, and Haemonculus Coven). --Newerfag (talk) 16:54, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Roll modifiers

Can't quite find in the rulebook the order in which modifiers apply, why does 2+ WS and +1 WS from drugs and -1 from Glaive result in 3+?--Flutist (talk) 15:35, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Succubus has 2+ WS. Drugs improve that to 1+. (1s still miss). Then when you attack, you roll a 2, which gets modified to a 1, which misses. It's different from 1+ armor saves because AP affects your armor save value, and not the armor save roll itself. The Archite Glaive applies the penalty to the hit roll itself, and not the Succubus's WS. Unless only -unmodified- rolls of 1 automatically miss, at which point, carry on. --204.101.24.120 18:42, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Ah, got it, thanks. --Flutist (talk) 20:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

But wait, you have +1 to hit on turn 3 from Power from Pain, not +1 WS, therefore Glaive hits on 2+? --Flutist (talk) 08:56, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the PfP modifier from BR 3 and on will negate the Glaive penalty, allowing the Succubus to hit on 2s, and that's true regardless of whether she has WS2 or WS1. So my point is, don't give your Succubus the +1WS combat drug, because it will never, ever do anything. (Barring enemy abilities that penalize actual WS and not just hit rolls, but I can't think of any off the top of my head) --204.101.24.120 15:03, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Ynnari tactics

Getting advice for playing Ynnari (and making the decision of whether to play them in the first place) is quite difficult at the moment: There is no Ynnari tactics page (only for 7th ed.), snippets are spread out over three tactics articles (Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins), and inside these articles hints are again spread out all over the place. It would be great to have a separate Ynnari tactics page, in which joint tactics of mixed forces can be discussed. Unfortunately, I myself haven't tried Ynnari yet, therefore I can't contribute anything useful for this. I hereby ask those of you who have experience to create such a page. A nice effect would be that bloat and distracting side notes in the original pages could be reduced as well. This proposition was printed on the Eldar tactics talk page as well.--Eldrad Ulthran (talk) 21:47, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Right now the Ynnari are, if anything, little different from their non-Ynnari counterparts save for the three unique characters they get. Their main draws of Strength From Death and mixing different Eldar types together were nerfed into the ground and outright removed (respectively) in the FAQs. There's simply no point to making a separate tactics page for them right now unless those two things change. --Newerfag (talk) 05:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Armouries on the various army pages.

This is mostly a repost of a question I had on the main tactics page, but I'll be posting it on all the most frequently updated tacticas because it applies to all of them and I'd like to hear any arguments against it.

I've been wondering this for a while now, but what do the armoury sections add that cannot be covered by unit entries? Everything in them is either stating info that is obvious and redundant to anyone holding the relevant book (which are the people using the tactica in the first place), or it's insight that is restated in the unit entry itself, where it's actually relevant. I get why we list relics since those are usually unique to the army and can be applies to a ton of different characters for different builds, same with Warlord Traits, and both of those are usually not covered in the various unit entries, instead that advice is usually covered in the relic and traits sections which makes sense. But for the regular armouries I'm not really seeing why we keep them around at all to be honest, since they take up so much space and it's annoying to scroll past that kind of bloat. How should we improve them, if possible (so that they're not just restating profiles) or should we just remove them? Personally I'm leaning more towards getting rid of them entirely. -- Triacom (talk) 18:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Moving Ynnari to its own page

With all the clutter and becoming more of a self-contained army, should Ynnari get their own faction page?

I'd think so, it's becoming hard to suggest what to take in an Ynnari detachment because you need to look between multiple pages to see the different options available to you. Either Eldar should get one complete page, or Ynnari should get their own. -- Triacom (talk) 17:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Especially now they play very much differently and do deserve their own page, it'll be a big one, but we did it in 7th when there was less reason for it so I'd argue we should probably move them to their own.