Talk:Xenos

Xenos Threat Status

I have to disagree with this notion that all Xenos threaten the Imperium to a serious degree at all. We already know, from the Beast Arises series, that even united and souped up Orks will still lose to an Imperium without most of its biggest strengths, and Craftworlds are regularly destroyed by relatively small forces and definitely don't post a serious threat to the Imperium.

Only Necron and Tyranid (if there are enough of them) of the Xenos can be said to pose a serious threat to the Imperium, and I believe that should be pointed out. Also, with regards to Xenos and Chaos, even if Eldar souls 'burn brighter' that does not change that Slaanesh invests far more interest in human souls, usually only attacking Eldar on an incidental basis, but putting into action lengthy schemes to gain access to the souls of Space Marines. In addition there are, as far as I know, no Xenos Daemon Princes at all in the history of current 40k, so the statement concerning Xenos servants of Chaos should also reflect that no Chaos God ever uplifted a non-Human t Daemonhood. --User:Malignant

Be'lakor is almost certainly a xenos, seeing as he existed long before humans were civilized. And the War of the Beast was just barely won by the Imperium through what amounts to a deus ex machina- if anything, you're greatly underestimating how dangerous the xenos can be. --Newerfag (talk) 15:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth, during the War of the Beast, the Eldar insisted that Chaos was the greater threat, but the Imperium disagreed. Violently. TiamatRoar (talk) 16:06, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Is Be'lakor a Xenos? I mean I know he ought to be, but at the same time considering that this is 40k I would not be surprised to learn he is human. Was it ever confirmed either way? That he is not human or that he is Xenos? That would also still be 1, so doesn't change much. It would also be one who, again, has no major confirmed victories or successes at all. Further the Imperium didn't 'barely win' they won handily, destroyed the entire united super-advanced Ork force so well that it took them 1 century to undo all the damage and be stronger than they ever were. Not to mention they fought the whole war against the Orks with one hand behind their back so the Orks are just lucky they weren't taking it seriously. Again, also, that's a single threat. Which was, again, defeated. Xenos really aren't dangerous, that's just the canon, they lose practically very big war they ever get into and never claim much territory. I think it is silly to act as if Xenos are a bigger threat then they are in canon, this article should reflect that the Imperium's been handily reducing the Xenos to nothing but minor trouble for 10000 years plus, and, further, that the Imperium will always have someone who is better than the Xenos at anything, no Xenos can ever match or compare with the best of the Imperium. I've already talked it over with Watcher and they say its okay to restore my edits as I wish so I will do so. --User:Malignant

The threats of the rest of the universe are well represented in their respective sections. It is not needed to add any fanboying to the "Other Xenos" section. The diversity and malice of the unnumbered aliens in the universe is a central theme of 40K and doesn't need to be undercut with a reminder of everything else already said. --User:Rene LeMarchand

In that case we should cut the sentence entirely, since it's pointless to state that there are others waiting for their moment when other parts of the page and wiki point out that moment will never come. -- Triacom (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Craftworlds largest Eldar Population

Since I must, quoting from pg 116 of the Rulebook, titled "Craftworld Aeldari": "The most numerous of the Aeldari are those who live on craftworlds". Hopefully this is enough evidence. User:Malignant

The very next line specifies that most of those "living" are within the Infinity Circuit, which means they died and had their souls transferred there. So either they've got a very strange definition of "living", or they made a mistake. Neither of those inspires much confidence in me. --Newerfag (talk) 20:26, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Since I feel it is simply wrong to back and forth edit I'll first lay out my claim here then before editting it again. The passage you refer to is divorced from the opening sentence. The statement in the opening sentence is explicit 'The most numerous of the Aeldari are those who LIVE on craftworlds' makes clear that the majority of Aeldari are those in the process of LIVING on Craftworlds at the point in time of the present timeline which the Rulebook is presenting. The latter statement simply says that the majority are dead, not that in anyway this does not still mean the initially stated fact is incorrect. If anything this simply suggest the Craftworlds used to consist even more overwhelmingly the majority of the population. I'd also like to point out that whereas the Rulebook does explicitly state the majority of Aeldari live on Craftworlds, it does not state the same thing about the Dark Eldar, so there is no canon basis to then claim that Dark Eldar are the most numerous. User:Malignant

Previous rulebooks have repeatedly and explicitly contradicted this claim. Given the choice between the one new claim and the multiple old claims that are consistent with each other and the existing fluff which makes no sense because of the new claim (e.g. the Craftworld Eldar's low birth rate), I'm going to pick the latter. --Newerfag (talk) 21:30, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Did any prior Rulebooks explicitly state the Dark Eldar represented the majority of the Eldar population? Can you provide a quote for that? The 8th Edition Rulebook, Lexicanum and the Warhammer 40k Wiki all three state that Craftworld Eldar represent the greatest portion of the remaining Eldar species. Malignant (talk) 21:48, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Good god, this is basic math. Low birth rate plus high death rate equals low numbers. Dark Eldar have a much higher birth rate, so of fucking course there's going to be more of them. --Newerfag (talk) 00:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

But this is simply ridiculous. 3 sources have all confirmed that the Craftworld Aeldari represent the largest surviving percentage of the Aeldari species, you've provided not a single canonical source claiming the Dark Eldar are explicitly the largest percentage of the population. Please provide sources actually stating what you're saying, as I have provided sources for my position. Malignant (talk) 11:24, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I am still waiting for sources which explicitly state Dark Eldar are more numerous than Craftworld Eldar. I've provided three sources of differing reputability all claiming this, you've not provided me a single source confirming your side. If you have no evidence to provide then I do not see on what basis this claim can be maintained.Malignant (talk) 13:31, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I have a feeling the most ardent of the fanbase know more about established lore than GW writers. Pilgrim of Terra (talk)