Talk:Zacharias The Everliving
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Was this page really necessary? Was it really so terrible to have both vampire lords on one page especially when they're so involved with one another? You can't have Zacharias backstory, current history, or even any of his items/mount without mentioning W'soran, and likewise can't have W'soran without mentioning Zacharias as his usurper. Please connect the dots for me because I can't see why they needed to be split. -- Triacom (talk) 04:30, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- Does every fucking Space Marine or OC need their own page? Is there a limited amount of space available, with Warhammer Fantasy approaching its maximum capacity for articles on 1d4chan? Answers, in order: apparently yes, apparently yes, and no. Also on my to do list is to make the Bloodlines into separate pages, because I honestly don't remember why I tried to make them on the same page. Laziness I think. --Thannak (talk) 08:07, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- This is just repeat information that needs to be on both pages. There isn't a limited amount of space, however I wasn't aware that consolidation was for some reason against the rules. Should we give every single fucking thing on the Vampire Counts page their own pages and then repeat the summary paragraphs? Why not have separate tactics pages for every unit? Because it's not necessary. Spreading information like this just makes it far more annoying to sift through, rather than keeping it all in one page together. -- Triacom (talk) 08:40, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oh for fucks sake, people bitch when a page is too long and bitch when there's multiple short ones. Zacharias has his own lore independant of W'soran, but I haven't put it in. I copy/pasted because I wasn't in the mood for a complete rewrite. By your logic, we only need one fucking long Vampire Counts page, which based on what others complain about is the worst thing to do. Zacharias is a different character. W'soran only shares a page because its unclear who is in charge, making them sort of the same character. Sorry its a burden to have two separate pages to read. --Thannak (talk) 21:10, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- What a load of bullshit. I don't remember you being in favour of keeping the "Life in the Imperium" page, and you need to copy/paste because their lore crosses over with each other, simple as that, as I mentioned if you want the full lore you need to have the full backstory for both on at least one of the pages, at which point the other becomes pointless. We don't make entire pages for characters who don't need them, which is why those shared the same page, and why there's plenty of characters who only get a paragraph. Also doing that fucked over some links. -- Triacom (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- One, I don't watch what happens to 40k pages because I don't care about 40k. Two, there's plenty of characters who you need to know about when reading another character's page, yet only a twat would require Valkiya to be on Khorne's page or Krell on Kemmler's. Three, there is no "we". I made that page, and to me at the time having the progenitor of the Bloodline be the page for that entire Bloodline made sense to save me time and work, but now I feel it doesn't considering how silly the idea is. As for the links, it screwed up a single link which I just fixed. --Thannak (talk) 20:01, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- And yet I also don't remember you trying to remake the rebecca black section into a separate article once again, not to mention Valkia isn't tied in with khorne like Zacharias is with Melkhoir, to the point that you can't write about him without bringing up Melkhoir (as mentioned before, the separate pages have pretty much the same information on them, how is that better?), though if you really want to you could have had krell and kemmler on the same page since they worked as a duo until the end times. Also there is a we, anybody who added a character onto this site in a general section (and not given their own page) was who I was referring to. -- Triacom (talk) 20:31, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know nor care about who or what Rebecca Black is, I only concern myself with Warhammer Fantasy and pages that should have existed long before now. Isabella cannot be mentioned without Vlad, nor Konrad, nor Mannfred. Do you require them to have a single page too? I'm quite frankly done arguing though, since from what I've seen the vast majority of 1d4chan users want multiple smaller pages than longer, comprehensive ones you are in the minority. Unless Wikifag says otherwise, then the pages remain as is. --Thannak (talk) 22:17, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- You know what? Yes, I'd rather have a Von Carstein page that had all of the Von Carsteins rather than giving each of them their own pages, I'd also rather have a Lamia page, Necrarch page, Strigoi page, and Blood Dragon page. If you know who the users are would you mind pointing them out? Because the ones I've talked to only make the new pages when they think they can't add any more, and they've agreed when I've asked them to consolidate the pages (in most cases it's me doing the consolidating and asking if they're fine with it). Also ignoring the examples I gave of people who want pages consolidated isn't helping you any, and in fact if you can't find people to back you up I'll be creating those separate vampire pages and consolidating them since from my experience that's what the users want. -- Triacom (talk) 01:59, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- You want an edit war, fine. Those changes are arbitrary and stupid, and until Wikifag steps in I'll be working against them. Check the talk pages of things I work on, the trend seems to be against the verbose, overly large pages. Or do you just want one megafuckhuge Warhammer page? How's that work on pressing all the Primarch pages into their Chapter pages? God knows if you're going after the characters of Warhammer that we don't need separate pages for every minor D&D deity either, when one simple "Dungeons & Dragons" page will do. --Thannak (talk) 03:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- You know what? Yes, I'd rather have a Von Carstein page that had all of the Von Carsteins rather than giving each of them their own pages, I'd also rather have a Lamia page, Necrarch page, Strigoi page, and Blood Dragon page. If you know who the users are would you mind pointing them out? Because the ones I've talked to only make the new pages when they think they can't add any more, and they've agreed when I've asked them to consolidate the pages (in most cases it's me doing the consolidating and asking if they're fine with it). Also ignoring the examples I gave of people who want pages consolidated isn't helping you any, and in fact if you can't find people to back you up I'll be creating those separate vampire pages and consolidating them since from my experience that's what the users want. -- Triacom (talk) 01:59, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know nor care about who or what Rebecca Black is, I only concern myself with Warhammer Fantasy and pages that should have existed long before now. Isabella cannot be mentioned without Vlad, nor Konrad, nor Mannfred. Do you require them to have a single page too? I'm quite frankly done arguing though, since from what I've seen the vast majority of 1d4chan users want multiple smaller pages than longer, comprehensive ones you are in the minority. Unless Wikifag says otherwise, then the pages remain as is. --Thannak (talk) 22:17, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- And yet I also don't remember you trying to remake the rebecca black section into a separate article once again, not to mention Valkia isn't tied in with khorne like Zacharias is with Melkhoir, to the point that you can't write about him without bringing up Melkhoir (as mentioned before, the separate pages have pretty much the same information on them, how is that better?), though if you really want to you could have had krell and kemmler on the same page since they worked as a duo until the end times. Also there is a we, anybody who added a character onto this site in a general section (and not given their own page) was who I was referring to. -- Triacom (talk) 20:31, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- One, I don't watch what happens to 40k pages because I don't care about 40k. Two, there's plenty of characters who you need to know about when reading another character's page, yet only a twat would require Valkiya to be on Khorne's page or Krell on Kemmler's. Three, there is no "we". I made that page, and to me at the time having the progenitor of the Bloodline be the page for that entire Bloodline made sense to save me time and work, but now I feel it doesn't considering how silly the idea is. As for the links, it screwed up a single link which I just fixed. --Thannak (talk) 20:01, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- What a load of bullshit. I don't remember you being in favour of keeping the "Life in the Imperium" page, and you need to copy/paste because their lore crosses over with each other, simple as that, as I mentioned if you want the full lore you need to have the full backstory for both on at least one of the pages, at which point the other becomes pointless. We don't make entire pages for characters who don't need them, which is why those shared the same page, and why there's plenty of characters who only get a paragraph. Also doing that fucked over some links. -- Triacom (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oh for fucks sake, people bitch when a page is too long and bitch when there's multiple short ones. Zacharias has his own lore independant of W'soran, but I haven't put it in. I copy/pasted because I wasn't in the mood for a complete rewrite. By your logic, we only need one fucking long Vampire Counts page, which based on what others complain about is the worst thing to do. Zacharias is a different character. W'soran only shares a page because its unclear who is in charge, making them sort of the same character. Sorry its a burden to have two separate pages to read. --Thannak (talk) 21:10, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
- This is just repeat information that needs to be on both pages. There isn't a limited amount of space, however I wasn't aware that consolidation was for some reason against the rules. Should we give every single fucking thing on the Vampire Counts page their own pages and then repeat the summary paragraphs? Why not have separate tactics pages for every unit? Because it's not necessary. Spreading information like this just makes it far more annoying to sift through, rather than keeping it all in one page together. -- Triacom (talk) 08:40, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Ah yes, because Zacharias clearly has as much history as Horus, or Angron, or Lorgar, he has so much that if you look at his page it's definitely not just repeated information from another page. If you want to undo the changes out of spite, then go ahead, I'm going to be doing them out of interest in making the wiki better and you'll be doing them out of a grudge. One last thing, the only one I can really remember complaining that pages were too large was Forgefather, who was doing it just because they didn't like them, eventually I and several other users requested for them to be banned because next to nobody liked what they were doing, and the ones who did didn't feel it was worth defending. I do agree that we don't need every separate diety page either. -- Triacom (talk) 07:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'm updating this with an apology. I was in the wrong for saying that pages with repeat information should be merged into one, though I still believe pages with little content do not need to be merged like that, and I'm sorry for being such an ass with how I went about my arguments. I have not tried to restore the original merged page after this discussion, because shortly after I realized I was wrong, however I never got around to say it until now, but I figured now would be better than never. -- Triacom (talk) 08:17, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
