Template talk:ChaosGods

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YESSSSSS. More wikifying. --NotBrandX 22:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

So Slaanesh is gone from WHFB[edit]

Do we put anything special to mark the new deity for Age of Sigmar? Crazy Cryptek (talk) 12:31, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Great Horned Rat is there now, but I think Archaon should be too. Thoughts? --Thannak (talk) 01:11, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Not entirely sure about Archaon's status as a Chaos God, but you may as well put him there. Might be a good idea to leave Slaanesh in anyway though, I have a feeling he/she/it'll show up eventually. --Newerfag (talk) 04:31, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
He's been booted out of the Great Game in Age of Sigmar, but in past tense still is in Warhammer Fantasy and will likely always remain so in 40k. Archaon has become a Chaos God in Age, as the "Marshall of Chaos" who controls everything Chaos God down as I read it. Except Horned Rat and the Skaven, since he thinks they're shit and refused Rat's blessings. But since he isn't a player in the Great Game he may not count as this template demands, he's a minor Chaos God most likely like Horned Rat was. --Thannak (talk) 06:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

On Nuffle[edit]

Given that he is a Chaos God, and is canon within the Blood Bowl universe, he does in my opinion belong on this list. But with in a seperate grouping below Chaos Gods of Law for him and Malal perhaps. Afterall, Nuffle isn't really a minor Chaos God in that he forces even Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khorne, and Slaanesh to obey his rules. Not to mention his domain is meta in the sense he controls the dice of the players as the literal Dice God, which arguably means he has a presence in all Warhammer works and settings other than the trading card game. Emphasis on "arguably" though. --Thannak (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Age Of Sigmar Gods?[edit]

So if Sigmar is on the list, should Tyrion/Morelion/Morathi/Telis/Alarielle/Gorkamorka/Grimnir/Grungni be? --Thannak (talk) 04:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

  • I think Gorkamorka could be added under both the Gork and Mork Page. The rest I am not sure. IMO, Nagash, Sigmar and Archaon is on the list because on how much they contributed, get screen time and relevance since they are the only AoS gods that everyone can be bothered to give a fuck. Derpysaurus
    • Do they count as Chaos Gods? I mean, its canon that the Winds of Magic are technically part of Chaos, more specifically former parts of the primordial Tzeentch, and that's what they have now merged with sort of. But does that count? Plus, isn't the God Emperor becoming a Chaos God of Order more of a theory than canon? --Thannak (talk) 05:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Hmmm, I'm not sure about that. I think we should go with the status quo and just stick to ones that are relevant. The Gods of Order are there because they provide a counter balance to the Chaos Gods even if they haven't been seen in decades. Anyway, Empy is here solely because he is our closest 40k analogy of a God of Order. Nuffle should not be on the list because, how cannon is Blood Bowl anyway? Derpysaurus
    • Blood Bowl is canon to its own universe, and has always been its own universe with its own continuity despite being similar to Fantasy. Its the third universe to Games Workshop after Fantasy/Age of Sigmar and 40k, unless you count Peter Jackson movies as GW anyway. As such anything covering the first two should have Blood Bowl mentions just as a matter of comprehensiveness. Otherwise we'd need a template specifically for 40k, Fantasy, Age, and Blood Bowl each. Although given its a multiverse with one Warp, the fact the Chaos Gods of Law were Chaos Gods means they existed in 40k as well until they were retconned by omission. --Thannak (talk) 06:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

On Malal And Related Chaos Gods[edit]

Should Necoho and Zuv be added into their own section with Malal as the "Chaos Gods of Self Destruction"? Technically they were Chaos Gods. --Thannak (talk) 06:45, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think so since they are already mentioned in the Malal page and by adding them in, it may cause confusion. Derpysaurus

Okay this is just an absolute mess[edit]

I applaud the effort to make a template for all the gods in the settings, but this is just a fucking mess. This can be solved in either of two ways:

  • Each template gets its own page, instead of a list of templates like that.
  • Go with a more traditional layout, something like this:
The Gods of Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Fantasy
Four Main Chaos Gods: Khorne - Nurgle - Slaanesh - Tzeentch
Other Gods of Chaos: Horned Rat - Malal - Archaon
Main Gods of Law: Alluminas - Arianka - Solkan the Avenger
Other Gods of Law God-Emperor of Man
Main Gods of the Empire Morr - Myrmidia - Ranald - Shallya
Sigmar - Ulric - Verena
Main Gods of the Elves: Asuryan - Khaine - Cegorach - Isha - Vaul
Main Gods of the Orks: Gork - Mork
Main Gods of the Dead: Nagash - Ynnead
Three Main Necron Gods Aza'Gorod - Mag'ladroth - Mephet'ran
Other gods: Nuffle

I'm not sure how to translate this to the different style of table we have going on right now, but you'll have to keep things like colspan in mind when discerning between the various kinds of gods.

Furthermore, keep in mind which categories you want to add. Only add a category if it applies to every single page it will appear on. Category:Gods applies. Category:Orks does not because there are only two orks on there. Not even Category:Warhammer 40,000 applies because of the Fantasy gods on there. And that's discounting the gods that aren't on there yet. So what's the plan gonna be? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 10:14, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Yeah I prefer the traditional layout as well. Much more neater and clean cut. I think we should go with this. Derpysaurus
    • I also added the Necron Gods just to fit the template. At least the three main ones like the four main Chaos Gods. Derpysaurus
    • Looks good, except Chaos Gods of Law and Gods of Order should be separate. --Thannak (talk) 15:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Alright, I've fixed it up a bit. Not sure how the divides between the gods of Law and Order works though, so I combined them.
  • Hmmm...I think the Emperor has more in line with the gods of law and order than with Nuffle in terms of his nature. Anyways, I prefer the previous edit as adding the entire human pantheon from Warhammer fantasy would make it a bit...bloated. Like half of them doesn't even have their own page, so shall we leave the relevant ones in the list while putting the minor ones in a single page like the minor Chaos Gods? Because the only ones with enough information is Ulric and Sigmar. The Emperor occupies a weird spot in my opinion, should he be with the human gods or the gods of law? Derpysaurus
  • Chaos Gods of Law, and theoretically/possibly the God Emperor/Starchild, are actual Chaos Gods who are opposed to the Chaos Gods of Destruction Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Nurgke, Khorne, Great Horned Rat, and Archaon. The neutral Chaos Gods are Malal, Zuvassin, Necoho, and Nuffle plus outside Games Workshop continuity you can add the Text To Speech god of disbelief and Ackland's Malice. Not to mention whatever the 9th Age renames end up being. The Gods of Order are just that; gods. Not Chaos Gods, which is why I'm unsure as to why they've suddenly been included in this template other than Age of Sigmar being so fucking vague on everything. --Thannak (talk) 16:37, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • I'm not opposed to lumping the various small-time Empire gods together into one page, though I believe that Sigmar and perhaps Ulric too should have their own pages. Another issue though is the Warhammer Fantasy Elf Gods: there are a lot of small-fry there as well, most of whom have their own pages now. Only seven of them appear in 40k and might want to keep their own pages, but the rest are not that big in the lore itself. So what about them? In the meantime I renamed the new three to just be Gods of Order to oppose the Chaos Gods, and the Emperor is down there by virtue of being different from the others. So where do we go from here? - Biggus Berrus (talk) 19:08, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Maybe just a Warhammer non-Chaos God template, stick everyone 40k and everyone Fantasy that isn't K/T/N/S, GHR, and the Chaos Gods of Law plus Malal and his variations and finally Nuffle. Also, its the Chaos Gods of Law. Not Order. Not sure why it was law, only two of them actually had anything to do with laws while one was just a giant unknowable fractal lightbulb and the final one was never revealed, but that's what they were called. --Thannak (talk) 01:43, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Okay so I deleted some gods from the Empire (Mainly the ones without a page) created a new column called "Other Gods of Law" exclusively for the Emperor, renamed the rest of the Eldar/Elves, Empire, Ork and Death Deities as the 'Main Gods' to be more specific as well as relieving our burden from adding other minor gods from their respective factions. I further add in Asuryan and Vaul as they are quite the main characters of the Elfdar pantheons. This should at least be more coherent. What do you think? Derpysaurus
  • The C'tan aren't gods. Don't label them as such. --Newerfag (talk) 06:05, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Here's another possible idea: instead of cramming the gods together into one template, we make multiples over several pages. Sorta like this:

The Chaos Gods of Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Fantasy
Four Main Chaos Gods: Khorne - Nurgle - Slaanesh - Tzeentch
Other Gods of Chaos: Archaon - Horned Rat - Malal - Necoho - Zuvassin
Chaos Gods of Law: Alluminas - Arianka - Solkan the Avenger
The Gods of the Orks
Gork - Mork
The Gods of the Empire
Morr - Myrmidia - Ranald - Shallya - Sigmar - Ulric - Verena
The Gods of the Eldar
Asuryan - Cegorach - Isha - Kurnous - Khaine - Lileath - Morai-Heg - Vaul - Ynnead
Other gods of Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Fantasy
God-Emperor of Man - Nagash - Nuffle

The gods of the High Elves are already in Template:High Elves, the C'tan can be added to Template:Necrons-Characters. All of these templates gan be given their own pages to keep things orderly. I'm still not sure what to do with the likes of the Emperor, Nagash and Nuffle though, so I gave them their own template for the time being. - Biggus Berrus (talk) 09:40, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

  • That's cool, I'm for this sort of template. Although I don't think Necoho and Zuvassin should be on the list since they are too similar to Malal as already mentioned in Malal's page. Anyone else? Derpysaurus
  • If this is a Chaos Gods template, it should ONLY contain Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Malal, Necoho, Zuvassin, Great Horned Rat, Archaon, and Nuffle. If this is a general Gods of Warhammer template, it should have literally every deity up to and including the Spider God, Bad Moon, Ynnead, Nagash, and so on. Nothing should be omitted simply because it isn't "the main group" either way, as the purpose of a template is to link to all other relevant pages. --Thannak (talk) 05:04, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Well of course this page will only have the Chaos Gods ones, with the other ones going to their own pages. The Spider God and Bad Moon can go to the Ork template (which could pull double duty as a Goblin template). Ynnead can go with the Eldar gods, and the Emperor and Nagash... well, they're odd ones alright. - Biggus Berrus (talk) 09:57, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

And there we go! All nice and trimmed down with the various pantheons having their own templates now. Note that this one doesn't have the 40k category because not all gods on there are in 40k. I also sized down the images on many of the articles because they wasted so much space. - Biggus Berrus (talk) 14:47, 18 June 2016 (UTC)