User talk:Dark Angel 2020

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To-Do List[edit]

Codex - Squats - Will attempt this shortly, not going to homebrew up an entirely new one and end up inventing fluff, but rather will re-draft the 2nd Edition rules and bring them up to speed with 6th > 7th Edition

  • A Codex- Tau Auxiliary page has been made that features the Demiurg. Since your Squats codex has the Demiurg as well there has been a suggestion (by me) of moving the stuff in Demiurge section over to your Codex. I would like your thoughts about that.--Ilniaj (talk) 01:10, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Hey man, you've kind of taken charge of that project. These days I'm only playing with some converted dwarf models with shotguns and haven't gotten around to making a proper army using the entirety of the list we made, mostly only using it as a allied force or something to toy with while I come up with conversion ideas. Just take whatever you think work, I will have no objections. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 08:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Alright. By the way, I'm wondering if you liked or disliked how I lowered the stats of the HQ choices since increased Strength and Toughness in the leadership are no longer present in 40k. Also, do you have a pdf of an old Squats codex I could look at?--Ilniaj (talk) 16:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I don't have a .pdf of a squat codex, I was working out of paper copies of the old 2nd edition "Codex Imperialis", "Wargear" and "Army Lists". I don't even know if there was a Codex: Squats back in the 2nd edition and that most of the bulk of their fluff came from Epic 40,000 material. I've got no problem with what you've done, it makes a sort of mechanical sense. I haven't been using Ancestor Lords, though I imagined they would be "Golem-like" but since I've never actually seen one I cannot argue. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 11:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey you wouldn't happen to still have that email from forge world regarding the Solar Auxilia's Combat Augment Array would you? As of yet I haven't seen one and would like to at least link a picture showing what they've said in the Solar Auxilia tactics page rather than just state they confirmed it with no evidence. - Triacom (talk) 05:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

  • That wasn't me that got the email, as far as I was aware the combat array applied to "any" roll during a given turn. But if someone else says the it meant "any one" I'll agree that makes more sense and is far less broken, I just copy pasted the section from the legion list tactics and made it relevant to auxilia. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 05:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Messages[edit]

No problemo bro. Yer a hard worker and that guy was simply trollin. Cheers and keep up the good work. FOR THE EMPEROR. - Ben (talk) 22:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

My apologies for the earlier Cypher/Infiltration edit. I was under the impression that GW was putting the most recent FAQs up on Black Library as you had guessed. Random Unregistered Dude, 29 July 2015

Saw the quote on the Night Lords page you added. I want to say Sevatar gave that line in one of the Thramas Crusade stories, but my memory fails me and I don't have a copy of "Prince of Crows" handy. It also strikes me as something he might utter during the short story "Savage Weapons". Perhaps someone could check through the chapters of "The First Heretic", as I haven't gotten around to that one yet, either. Regardless, I'll give you a ping if I find the source material. --70.190.166.102 23:10, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that, since I didn't remember reading it in a book I was curious to where it came from. I found it online and made the assumption it was original, so possibly shame on me for citing incorrect stuff, but if it really is inaccurate then I assume someone will point it out later on. If you do come up with the source material then thanks for that, but there's no need to go out of your way. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 11:25, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Forgot I had "Prince of Crows" in E-Book format on my laptop. Just finished reviewing that, and failed to find the quote. It may have been in "Savage Weapons" or "The First Heretic", but I know I don't have them. I do have the short story "Child of Night" by John French, which is my next subject for review. I'll keep you posted. --70.190.166.102 07:59, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Hey, just wanted to say thanks for redirecting the Callidus page, I was so suprised when I saw there wasn't one so I had to get something done at least, not realising I just hadn't redirected properly... I should probably have looked around before just making a new page like that, It was hasty and kinda dumb of me. So, thank you again for sweeping that up.

Thanks Battle-Brother[edit]

Hey, did some edits to the Dark Angels Tactica and went to view history for the first time. You seem to be one of the people who kept watch over the page for a couple years now so I just wanna thank you for the good work. It hasn't been that long since I've picked up 40k and Dark Angels and that page helped me a lot. A lot. It's basically like this: we never knew of each other, but I feel like you might just be my mentor. Hehe.

  • Well thank you very much for the kind words. You are very welcome. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 08:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Unremembered Empire[edit]

Yes, Polux did get there before Lion did, but there's no mention of the Retribution fleet as such, nor are there any mentions of Polux's fleet being the largest available to the Imperium at the time. Someone else. (talk) 00:43, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Right then, I'll give you that I can't find Polux arriving with the rest of his fleet. Even re-reading "Crimson Fist" it's not explained where the fleet actually ends up after dispersing into the warp. We see the Contrador getting there and that's all we see. I'll change the article accordingly. However, the Imperial Fists did possess the largest fleet out of all of the Legions, consisting of over 1500 vessels and purposefully designed as a ship-to-ship battlefleet (Horus Heresy - Exterminatus) and the Retribution Fleet consisted of a third of that (561 warships), contrast that against the Ultramarines who never operated more than 35 capital class starships at any point, filling their fleet with smaller strike cruisers and frigates as necessary. (HH - Tempest). Finally, I think you missed the point of the section you were changing, it's not a chronological series of events for Imperium Secundus, but describing what it caused to happen. The Dark Angels were never looking for Terra, they followed the beacon of course, but Macragge was always their intent. Plus the Lion left the bulk of his forces outside of the Ruinstorm to continue fighting the war, and the Lion could have left at any time thanks to the Tuchulcha engine he'd picked up earlier. They weren't really part of Guilliman's "muster". --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 07:15, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Leman Russ[edit]

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for your work on the Leman Russ page. I've spent a lot of time trying to deal with unjustified hatred of Russ, but your rewriting did a great job of making both Russ and the Lion seem badass and honorable. Keep up the good work! EatTheRich (talk) 21:04, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

cheers, I'm reading a lot into the Primarchs lately, updating pages as I go (Magnus gets complicated as fuck, and Lexicanum is plain wrong on several issues). They're all badass characters, even those generally held to be shit. With the way GW drip feeds information and spreads different versions of stories in different places, I figure a lot of people may see things from only one fixed viewpoint and don't understand the context of what the characters do. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 21:24, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Thunder Warriors[edit]

Hi :)

In that case there appears to be conflicting lore, as Thunder Warriors were described as having unparalleled strength during the time of the Custodes, as well as the only known comparison of ability being in favor of the Thunder Warrior. Perhaps we should just include the conflicting statements and let people make up their own minds? EndlessSerpent (talk) 14:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm okay with people making up their own minds and providing all the evidence, including eventualities where Thunder Warriors are shown to be better. But the HH book does unequivocally say that Custodians were made to be superior. Also your point about the Thunder Warriors being outnumbered following the battle of Ararat is really conjecture, not least because the same book states that the Custodians numbered only in their hundreds by the time of the supposed "cull", even if it did happen. So if this was the case, there could have been only a handful of Thunder Warriors, which constitutes less of a cull and more of a mercy killing, I'd leave that out. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 14:59, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Again, conflicting lore, Thunder Warriors were stated to be "unparalleled" in one instance but inferior in another. Feel free to add your own without deleting both.EndlessSerpent (talk) 15:01, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Writing requests[edit]

VeryIntelligentShadeOfTheColourBlue (talk): Hi Dark Angel, I was wondering if you’d be interested in helping HowIsTheDoc and I with some of our other projects, as it stands we’ve finished (barring minor changes and fluff shortening) the codex Angry Marines AFTER 3 MONTHS OF WRITTING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WORDS OF FUCKING FLUFF!!!), and are now going to start on the codex angry custodes (my pet project), codex toaster Marines (the docs homemade faction) and the codex memes (made up of all the 4chan memes made into characters, stratagems etc). We’ve got other things in the works as well, and would appreciate an extra mind and keyboard working on them, in addition to any help we can offer you with any of your pet projects. You are of course welcome to make edits regardless of what I say, it is an open wiki after all. If your interested feel free to drop me a reply.

Thank you for the invitation, I might take a look, though I feel that I probably won't contribute much. While I've done stuff like that before on this site I tend to shy away from using memes or fabricated stuff in my homebrewing, skewing towards attempting to represent the fluff in a way that does things justice rather than inventing my own. In my experience; collaborative projects have a tendency to bloat under the weight of ideas getting thrown at them, whereas I'd rather have rules for the models that I convert/kitbash personally (Dwarfs with shotguns, Peasants with autocannons etc). Again the offer is appreciated, and I will get around to looking it over eventually. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 07:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Re: the Malcador page[edit]

I think it would be a good idea to adapt the whole section about Malcador and Emps' foreknowledge (such as it is) about the Horus Heresy to the pages for the Emperor, the Primarchs, and the Heresy itself. It explains a lot about why the Emperor did what he did, even though I still don't quite understand why he simply did not explain what Chaos was to the Primarchs and why they should treat every word from the Ruinous Powers as a lie.--Newerfag (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I did have that same feeling: Malcador seems more like the vector by which the Emperor's actions are delivered to the reader, rather than being part of the decision making process himself. The entire section could probably be ported to one of those other pages where the whole subject matter covered would have more relevance (since it did grow arms and legs). Thanks for looking at it --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 18:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Librarians - Why Nikea Happened[edit]

You butchered the "Why Nikea Happened" on the "Librarian" Page. My intention was to highlight the difference in how the council of Nikea was described in different books to point out that we don't really know the truth behind it. You removed all the parts that talk about the conflicts in different lore sources. Why? It was accurate. I did write it with literally the two books in hand. I don't want to enter in an edit war, but I'm half inclined to revert your changes. Phas (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I "butchered" it for a number of reasons, besides all of the spelling errors: Firstly, your article didn't actually explain "WHY Nikaea happened", instead it went on at length to describe how different books have different perspectives and then tried to assert that both accounts were forgeries, which is an opinion rather than a fact. Secondly the reason WHY Nikaea happened has been explored in several books that have been published in the years since Prosporo Burns and a Thousand Sons: the reason being that the forces of Chaos wanted to handicap the loyalists, this is established in the views of the Lion, Guilliman, Corax and Russ across different books, and is agreed upon by Rogal Dorn, Sanguinius and Khan. I was holding the book Unremembered Empire and Wolfsbane open when I wrote it. There is no ambiguity of accounts there, no difference of opinion. Thirdly, I kept many of your original statements and expanded them with further context, such as why the Librarius' were not altered or why the Thousand Sons went unsupervised. Your edit regarding the Wolves conflicting viewpoints on the matter might do better on the Burning of Prospero page rather than "why" Nikaea happened, since it involved more than just the Wolves. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Spelling errors besides (I'm Italian so sorry if my English is not perfect, duh), my articles covered the views of the two main parties in the Nikea thing. Ok maybe the title wasn't really perfect, but it could be changed slightly instead of murdering the whole section. And yes, the article contains some opinions, which is really really bad for a Wikipedia article... except we aren't on Wikipedia. Also I'm happy to know that Unremembered Empire and Wolfsbane don't contradict themselves, but they are clearly in contradiction with "Prospero Burns" where the wolves do not go around telling the "power of Fenris" bullshit. More than everything I don't understand why didn't you contact me *before* deleting what I've written like I'm doing here. Phas (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
No-one is *required* to contact you before making edits on a public article, the page doesn't belong to you or me. If you were looking for a discussion on why two books that were released over seven years ago are different but not come to any actual conclusion other than "Who knows?" when the answer is in fact known, then you might be better served going to a forum. I took a section on a page that didn't fit; and tried to make it fit. I took outdated opinions and updated them with more context and information: the Space Wolves "Power of Fenris" bullshit IS repeated in Wolfsbane but expanded with more clarity about the contradiction and hypocrisy, which I addressed in the article because Russ knows the difference. However that is neither here nor there on an article about WHY Nikaea happened (except that the Emperor made an exception for him, which is pointed out in the article) and is probably better put on the Rune Priest or Space Wolf pages. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I've never said that anyone is required to contact me before editing something. I just assumed that would be polite and reasonable to ask the guy who wrote something before wiping it out because you don't like it. Your opinion is that that article doesn't fit the page. Mine differs, quite obviously having written it. If I would have taken your approach and said "meh, I don't like this guy article *REVERT*" we would have a problem now. This is why "talk" and "discussion" pages are for. Phas (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Again, you seem to think I should have gone through the list of contributors to narrow down who wrote what and inform them of individual changes... That's not how this works. I said before, I took what was there, expanded and clarified. If you haven't read the books which also discuss the contradictions in the wolves attitudes (whether their power comes from the warp or Fenris / whether Russ knows or cares) that's not my problem. If you put the wrong title on a section or put it on the wrong page and someone else comes and makes the text match it, that's not my problem. You could attempt to revert my edits, but I've been presenting evidence for each conclusion about "Why Nikaea happened" and why the wolves are apparently exempt, steadily updating as I find more in each book. If you are so protective of your entry that you cannot tolerate changes to it that's not my problem. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 17:26, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I suggest that before you do a destructive update, deleting something that someone else did write because you don't like it, you track down who write it and talk about it or open the discussion and propose the edit. Phas (talk) 19:19, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Nope, that doesn't happen on here, if you expect others to do that for you then you'll be spending most of your time complaining on other peoples pages about "muh edits". -for about the third time now- I added to the article. Your section was based on two old books and provided some rhetorical questions and a lack of a conclusion. I answered those questions with information from new sources which you still haven't acknowledged that you've even looked at. You think there is a contradiction between books? so what? the contradiction between "Powers from Fenris" and "Powers from the Warp" has been addressed in later books, Russ knows about the contradiction in his Rune Priests, he knows he gets special treatment and he claims he is going to have a look at it. If you actually have read these books then you haven't said or contributed anything that refutes me. You seem to think that I didn't like your article, but out-of-date information gets updated with new and I don't need to ask permission to do that. I have even proposed three other pages where examining the different perspectives might have been more appropriate. But now you seem so intent on having the article written as it was that you now appear less interested in the content that was changed and more butthurt that you weren't consulted about it. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 20:09, 26 August 2018 (UTC)