User talk:Nubnuber

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Moralfag Triggered by Cartoons[edit]

If you want to defend why you're adding underage porn to the wiki, you should head over to Root's talk page, that's where everyone's discussing it. -- Triacom (talk) 21:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Cartoon loli is not considered Child Porn under the laws of the united states. You're acting like a petulant child right now.--Nubnuber (talk) 21:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

That's not justification for adding it, go to Root's talk page if you want to defend it. -- Triacom (talk) 21:19, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes it is. NSFW images are allowed on the wiki. Loli is just another fetish.--Nubnuber (talk) 21:47, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Children are not a fetish. -- Triacom (talk) 21:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
That is objectively wrong because pedos exist.--Nubnuber (talk) 21:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Plenty of mental illnesses exist, and why should we be trying to attract pedo's? -- Triacom (talk) 21:59, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Look, pal, we're an encyclopedia. That means we preserve information and we don't do the opposite of preserving information. You don't go back through fucking Golden Ass and redact it because there's fucking donkey dick in it. You don't fucking chip David's dick off because Michelangelo neglected to include his fucking driver's license. You don't rape the past in the ass because it doesn't fit with the present, and if some philistine Commonlaw fuckers from a rain-soaked failed state make you fuck the past in the ass, you goddamn well put up a memorial to it that says THIS IS WHERE WE WERE FORCED, AGAINST THE DUTY OF ALL SCHOLARS, TO ERASE HISTORY.
>lmao pffft heh kid are you seriously comparing drawfag doodles to prestigious class signifiers
Fuck yeah I am. This shit, this endless, scrabbling entropy, is how people end up believing lies about themselves, others, and the entire fucking world. Maybe you want shit to be different. Maybe this isn't where we need to be as a community and we have to do better. Whatever. I'm not here to debate norms — but if the only way your norms can compete is by drilling over the faces of past kings, by lying through omission, then fuck you, you are my enemy. -- ∑ario (talk) 12:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
You're late to the party, this issue has already been settled, and you do not need to host child porn to reference it. This is why Wikipedia does not need to show actual child porn on their page dedicated to it, and they're a far more dedicated wiki than we are. Furthermore taking down fanart is in no way deleting the past, since none of the deleted images were a part of the series they were linked to. -- Triacom (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
That is not an argument for deleting them. We don't "need" to host any images about any topic. Also, this wiki is not about the editors. "none of the deleted images were a part of the series they were linked to." What series are you referring to here? --Nubnuber (talk) 16:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
What I mean is that all of the images were fan art, none of them were actual images used by the creators of whatever work they were attached to. -- Triacom (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Lofn, Lolicron and Loli D. were created by fans. They are fan characters. By definition, any and all art of them is fan art. Unless they've shown up in a codex I'm not aware of?--Nubnuber (talk) 18:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Exactly my point, all of those are fan images not used by the creators of the works. You've yet to show why we need to host them. -- Triacom (talk) 19:14, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
What creator of what works? GW the creator of Warhammer? Are you arguing that 40k fan art is not allowed on 1d4chan? Then I've got some bad news for you.--Nubnuber (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Both GW and the original fan writers. Some pedo drawing a fan-created kid being fucked is not good justification, it's two steps removed from the original setting by that point and you haven't provided any evidence for why that should be allowed. -- Triacom (talk) 18:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Your Behavior[edit]

Listen boy, I don't give a rat's butt what you think or the mental gymnastics you try to pull, you are full of crap and a borderline(if not outright) troll who has been told by a veteran editor to let go of this. Your behavior is inappropriate and shows a complete lack of the understanding of the English language. If you have any interest editing on this wiki you will deal with it. People clearly are tired of you and want you to knock it off, and seeing as you have no argument countering what people are saying, I suggest you shut your mouth and find another page to edit. I'm tired of having to check on your escapades every time I log on and see you are acting like a retard. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 03:51, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

"veteran editor". Seniority doesn't mean shit when he's vandalizing pages. "You have no argument countering what people are saying". You clearly have not read the talk pages.--Nubnuber (talk) 02:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Removing dead image links is not vandalism, Root even says adding them is not helpful, so can you agree to stop doing it? -- Triacom (talk) 02:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Removing the image links when they were still alive was vandalism.--Nubnuber (talk) 02:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Not when it was agreed by a majority. You also aren't answering the question, will you stop adding the links please? -- Triacom (talk) 02:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
We've already discussed why that isn't a majority. The majority of editors did not weigh in at all. There were like 5 people in that talk page. There are hundreds of editors.--Nubnuber (talk) 02:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
The majority of people who voted Nubnuber. Now, can you at least say you won't add the image links back in? -- Triacom (talk) 02:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
That's not an argument. If five guys on a random talk page agree to put scat porn on every tactics page and nobody notices it, they don't get to then call the people undoing their vandalism vandals themselves.--Nubnuber (talk) 02:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Anybody who disagrees is free to speak up, and your example has nothing to do with the page in question. The issue was also dealing with what people were comfortable with, and as I've pointed out before, even pages that talk about this do not need to host it. Wikipedia for example does not need to host CP to have a page on it. Also, can you agree to not add the links anymore? -- Triacom (talk) 02:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Those images were originally posted in /tg/ threads. They were of /tg/ characters. They are therefore /tg/ relevant. That is why they were on the page. I am speaking up.--Nubnuber (talk) 03:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
First, source? Secondly, that was already against /tg/'s rules. Thirdly, can you agree not to keep posting the links? I'm asking because I don't like waiting to see if you will or won't, so just say you won't and we can be done with it. -- Triacom (talk) 03:10, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5017032/#5017402
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5352392/#5354056
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8434179/#8437879
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8434179/#8437879
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/40439794/#p40440238
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/933119/#933530 --Nubnuber (talk) 17:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
>But it's on 4chan! Everything on 4chan is ok to put out on the wider internet!--Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 19:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you know this, but this is a wiki dedicated to a 4chan board.--Nubnuber (talk) 14:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
And it was against ToS. -- Triacom (talk) 07:19, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Please provide a link to the page where Root said 1d4chan must follow the /tg/ ToS.--Nubnuber (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Please provide a link where Root said anything, no matter the content, that is posted on /tg/ can and should be reposted here. -- Triacom (talk) 18:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Stop deflecting and show me the link.--Nubnuber (talk) 18:23, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
We're waiting. Where's the link Nubby boy? --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
I'll post mine if you post yours~ :^)--Nubnuber (talk) 18:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
So you don't have it? Fine. Then I'll treat you the exact same as I treat Zwei: someone unworthy of editing on this wiki and will undo everything you attempt to do. But I think we'd both prefer to avoid that, so if you drop this bullcrap with injecting child porn onto the wiki, I'll continue to let your edits on unchallenged. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 18:37, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
So you are going to start edit warring and vandalizing random pages just to spite me? And you have the gall to lecture me about MY behavior? Also, did you not see that I asked Triacom for a link first and his message back was just a deflection? "Please provide a link to the page where Root said 1d4chan must follow the /tg/ ToS."
I'm not the one either uploading child porn, nor being a detriment to the wiki. I'm keeping mongoloid smoothbrains like you and Zwei from screwing things up. I don't think you can edit, I don't trust you to edit, so from now on, I will make sure your edits do not get past me, as you clearly do not wish to drop this subject of you uploading child porn onto the wiki, despite being told to stop. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
That is extremely racist. --2601:203:480:4C60:B8F7:637E:81A8:D3B9 19:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Then take it up with me at my talk page: otherwise shut up. This isn't relevant to what we have been discussing for the past few hours at all. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 19:37, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
As Lord Of The Lemmings said, you've got nothing. You claim that just because something was posted on /tg/ it's okay to post here, regardless of what that is or how it violates /tg/'s ToS, and when asked for evidence of this you do everything you can to avoid admitting you've got no backing for your argument. -- Triacom (talk) 19:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
As I said, you've got nothing. You claim that just because you don't like something, it is not allowed on 1d4chan, regardless of how long its already been up on our servers or whether its a cherished piece of board history, and when asked for evidence of Root saying 1d4chan must follow /tg/'s ToS you do everything you can to avoid admitting you've got no backing for your argument. --Nubnuber (talk) 18:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
We're responding to you, if we haven't responded to a concrete claim, that's because you never made one. Come back when you have any evidence. -- Triacom (talk) 19:16, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Evidence of what? I'm not arguing that everything ever posted on /tg/ be added to 1d4chan. I'm arguing just for the NSFW porn on these 3 pages: Lofn, Lolicron, Loli D.--Nubnuber (talk) 18:03, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Evidence that supports your claim. Also you literally did argue that everything on /tg/ should be hosted here. -- Triacom (talk) 18:22, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Please provide a link to where I argued that.--Nubnuber (talk) 18:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Right here: "Those images were originally posted in /tg/ threads. They were of /tg/ characters. They are therefore /tg/ relevant. That is why they were on the page. I am speaking up." -- Triacom (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
I am speaking about Lofn, Lolicron and Loli D. These are the only 3 characters I am talking about. I hearby solemnly swear that I am not going to try to add random shit to the wiki. I am only arguing for Lofn, Lolicron and Loli D. Can you please argue with me specifically about these 3 characters and not argue with a strawman position?--Nubnuber (talk) 19:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
You are speaking of the NSFW versions of those characters, and those versions are all fan versions of fan characters (they're not made by the original creators of those fan characters). I've been arguing against them the entire time, you presented no reason that proves we need to include them. Also funny you say you're only talking about those 3 after generalizing your opinion and getting called out on it. -- Triacom (talk) 21:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok I'm sorry, I'm here telling you right now that I'm not in favor of adding random shit. I'm sorry if my sentences led you to believe that but that was never my intention. Can we move past this and actually talk about specifically about these 3 lolis? What do you mean "NSFW version"? It's still the same character, just doing NSFW stuff. Also, how the fuck do you know they were not made by the original creators? Most of the art of them was posted anonymously, by people not using tripcodes. And even giving that the SFW and NSFW art are by different artists, so what? These are not copyrighted characters. They are not the intellectual property of one single drawfag. They are dumb board-chan mascots with lore and art contributed from countless anons.
And what kind of fucking rule is this that you've made up? Porn of a random carnifex is fine, but if some other drawfag comes up with the oh-so original Carnifex-chan, porn of that is off the table? This is just mental gymnastics to try to rationalize your position.
And isn't it funny how you only apply this absurd logic to the loli characters, and not the various other 40k fan characters that have art from various drawfags on their pages (plenty of it NSFW):
Finally, I told you several times before that allowing everything posted to /tg/ would put all sorts of shit on the wiki, and it's nice that you're finally seeing reason. Now let's address your points: "What do you mean "NSFW version"? It's still the same character, just doing NSFW stuff." The NSFW versions are fan versions of a fan character, they're unrelated to the original character and twice removed from the setting they're based on, that's why I'm calling them different versions. "Also, how the fuck do you know they were not made by the original creators?" Because anyone who makes a character then posts about them later makes it clear they made them. "And even giving that the SFW and NSFW art are by different artists, so what?" Well the difference there is one of those versions was against /tg/'s ToS, and people here found it objectionable enough to vote it off the wiki, and the other is not. "And what kind of fucking rule is this that you've made up?" It's not a rule I made up, it was a point I was making to show that not everything on /tg/ is equally valid, since some of that was never supposed to be on /tg/ in the first place. Incidentally, before you talk about the other NSFW stuff I'd like for you to read over what I've already written in regards to it. "And isn't it funny how you only apply this absurd logic to the loli characters-" It's not funny at all, if somebody in the UK, Australia or Canada brought up the Lofn page when it had those images they could be arrested for it. As I told you in the past, even my personal objections aside, I don't like the idea that somebody could be arrested for looking at the wiki. -- Triacom (talk) 23:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Oh my fucking god, none of what you are saying makes any sense. This is pointless.--Nubnuber (talk) 03:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Are you really so dense as to not get we shouldn't have images people can go to prison for just because they brought up a page with the image on it? -- Triacom (talk) 22:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
And it was already against ToS back then as well. Even aside from the fact that people don't like them, we do not and should not reward rulebreakers. -- Triacom (talk) 22:50, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
And I've already told you that /tg/ is a blue board. ALL nsfw images are against ToS. But you're not crusading against those. So clearly you dont actually care about the ToS and only want to delete them because you don't like them.--Nubnuber (talk) 14:26, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
And if you want to try and remove NSFW images I won't try to stop you. My point is that just because it's posted does not make that justification for hosting it, if that was true somebody could post part of a snuff film and you'd be here arguing to keep it. -- Triacom (talk) 07:19, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
We already have snuff porn on 1d4chan.--Nubnuber (talk) 18:44, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
"Your example has nothing to do with the page". How is that not a perfect analogy for what you did?--Nubnuber (talk) 15:46, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Don't start this again.--2600:1010:B129:743C:5490:3698:9396:6673 16:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I concur with the anon. Knock it off and find something else to do besides upload Child Porn. Go see one of the tactics pages and see how you can help, or contribute on the Star Wars the Clone Wars/Rebels/Resistance pages. But do something besides waste our time. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 18:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
You are the ones who keep replying to me. No one is forcing you to continue re-veandalizing the pages after I restore them. If you feel this is a waste of your time, then stop. --Nubnuber (talk) 17:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Putting up images that are a bannable offense on /tg/ is not restoring a page, neither is adding fan art. We've already been over this a while back. -- Triacom (talk) 22:50, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Because the tactics pages have nothing to do with scat, now getting back on topic, since you cannot commit to what you promised, I'll assume you still plan to put those links on the pages sometime in the future. -- Triacom (talk) 18:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm going to have to agree with this guy Nubnuber. While I agree with some of the points you have made, you are not handling this very maturely and you need to stop editwarring with the other editors.--2600:1010:B12D:659D:B1BC:EBDE:CA09:3169 04:16, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
@Lord Of The Lemmings: chill out, dude --Root (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes sir.--Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 18:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Nubnuber: please stop embedding/linking files that don't exist anymore, it is not helpful behaviour --Root (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

>Smut

>another website

>File:Loli-daemonette (8).png is still on 1d4chan

From what I read above Triacom is making excellent points that you can't seem to counter with a valid argument. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Lord Of The Lemmings: Please keep any arguments up in these two sections. The bottom section is for discussing compromises only, not for arguing about the ethics of lolishit.--Nubnuber (talk) 21:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
>Implying you will get a compromise
There is none. We've explained time after time why this crap isn't acceptable and you continue to do this. You won't change our minds. Putting a censor bar over a murder is still a depiction of murder, same as if you blur porn: it's still porn. Sae applies to this bullcrap; it's objectionable material. Why don't you walk outside with a poster with the file loli-daemonette (8).png and see how long it takes for the cops to come an arrest you? Nor will I sit down and willingly let you get other users in other countries in trouble with the law or get us banned in these countries just because you want to put up pictures of kid diddling on the wiki.
tl;dr Give me a real ethical argument, not some bullcrap you pull of your butt, which is a habit of yours.--Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 21:32, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't care who you think you are talking to; I gave you a second chance and you blew it to upload smut and child porn. You can talk to him as much as you want, but you won't escape getting flak from me you dishonest piece of worm meat. I turn around for a week or two and what do I find? You up to some shady bullcrap that I now have to spend part of my short winter break dealing with. Seethe more. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 21:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
If you want to shit talk me please keep it out of the compromise section.--Nubnuber (talk) 21:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Also I didn't upload any new loli images. Check the version history on those pics. They were uploaded in 2008. The reason they are still up is because Triacom didn't remove them because Loli D. is fully clothed.--Nubnuber (talk) 21:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Leave this wiki[edit]

You're clearly a pedophile given that you are defending lolis. -- HussarZwei (talk) 15:40, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Nubnuber, I distrust you but am willing to give you a second chance, so ignore Zwei. Zwei, stop projecting what I have been saying to you for the past two weeks onto him. Unlike you he's actually being productive. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 16:49, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm not the one uploading child porn. -- HussarZwei (talk) 01:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree Triacom. Nubnuber is clearly an insane pedophile who is incapable of seeing reason. Root should ban Nubnuber. -- HussarZwei (talk) 01:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
The moment you starting defending lolis is when you implied it, get off this wiki you sick fuck. I trust Triacom's judgement not yours. -- HussarZwei (talk) 01:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Leave LOTL alone, Nubnuber you sick fuck. -- HussarZwei (talk) 02:26, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Please keep shit-talking out of the compromise section--Nubnuber (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Compared to what, uploading 2d child porn? -- HussarZwei (talk) 02:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Do you live the USA, Canada, or the UK? -- HussarZwei (talk) 03:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Compromise Negotiations[edit]

How about this: I upload the loli porn to 1d4chan. I then upload censored NSFW warnings as new versions of those files (the same way you replaced them with pictures of pancakes and thomas the tank engine). That way, the images are still hosted on the server, but users can't see them without clicking through and going down to the version history. Seeing as how you did not remove File:Loli-daemonette (8).png, you are clearly ok with having censored NSFW art on the pages.--Nubnuber (talk) 03:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

No. I didn't notice it because I was in the middle of finals, and that crap doesn't need to be on here. Contrary to popular opinion I have a life outside of this wiki. It doesn't matter if you censor it, it's still smut that we don't want anything to do with. Not to mention I gave you a second chance and yet you blew it anyway. --Lord Of The Lemmings (talk) 21:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I was talking to Triacom, not you.--Nubnuber (talk) 21:28, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Triacom, you are ok with having hyperlinks on the page that link to the smut on another website, correct? That was your original compromise.--Nubnuber (talk) 21:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

That was the original compromise, and you'll remember that included not hosting the images here at all. I'm holding you to that. So the answer to keeping the images here so somebody could see them in the version history is no. -- Triacom (talk) 22:36, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm sorry, the only compromises I'll agree to are ones where the images are hosted on the 1d4chan servers.--Nubnuber (talk) 01:13, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Then I'm sure everyone involved will go back to requesting your ban. You agreed to a compromise, but now you're breaking it. -- Triacom (talk) 01:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I never agreed to your original compromise.--Nubnuber (talk) 01:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
And I haven't reuploaded the images you removed.--Nubnuber (talk) 01:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
My mistake, I thought you'd seen reason. Also I didn't remove the images, Root did, aka the administrator of the wiki deleted them and it would be a very bad idea to put them back up. -- Triacom (talk) 01:34, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I meant remove as in you removed them from their pages, not deleted them from the server.--Nubnuber (talk) 01:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
And I remember Root deleting them from the server. -- Triacom (talk) 01:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
See Nubnuber you sick fuck, even Root, aka the administrator of the wiki, is on our side. Leave this wiki. -- HussarZwei (talk) 01:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
And I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to what you did.--Nubnuber (talk) 01:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
And? How do you think it'll look if you reupload images Root deleted? -- Triacom (talk) 01:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
When did I say I would reupload them?--Nubnuber (talk) 01:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
It was literally the first thing you said in this topic: "How about this: I upload the loli porn to 1d4chan." -- Triacom (talk) 03:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
As a hypothetical compromise. I would only do it if you agreed to it.--Nubnuber (talk) 03:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
As demonstrated when you said the opposite: "I'm sorry, the only compromises I'll agree to are ones where the images are hosted on the 1d4chan servers." If that's not what you're saying, then what are you going to do if nobody agrees to the compromise or you can't get a majority? -- Triacom (talk) 03:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Then I won't do it.--Nubnuber (talk) 03:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Good. Right now with the external link, anyone who wants to see them can click the link and see them, and they're given adequate warning. Furthermore, having them on the wiki but needing to go past two sets of history pages is just bad web design. -- Triacom (talk) 03:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I know. It's intentionally bad web design to make it hard to find them.--Nubnuber (talk) 03:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

About the Archdevils[edit]

So, I approve of the push you've been making to split all the archdevils off into their own articles, but I've noticed you tend to just leave out their 4e lore. Now, I approve of making this its own section, since the World Axis largely does try to stand apart from the Great Wheel lore, but I was curious if you're going to add that yourself later or not? Especially since you've been using 4e art as the "main picture" rather than 5e art, like with Geryon.--QuietBrowser (talk) 03:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I haven't actually added much of my own writing. 90% percent of what's there is stuff from the main archdevils page that I just copypasted over. If you want to take the lead on writing up 4e sections for them, go ahead.