Black Rage & Red Thirst
Just querying, since you've been going over the two sides of the Flaw:
I was under the impression that the Death Company was formed entirely from those who have fallen under the influence of the Black Rage and not the Red Thirst, as I can't find any source for that. But: as you pointed out, both are permanent, though I interpret that the Thirst behaves more like a "compulsive need" and follows them around wherever they go and in everything they do. It becomes a constant struggle to fight against it, yet giving in is a terminal state of both self-control and leads to dishonour.
Conversely, the Black Rage is more of a state of madness which heralds the end of the brother's sanity, yet as you point out, he can be coerced and cajoled back into lucidity by a charismatic Chaplain.
I'd actually very much like to read the source where brothers held in the Tower of Amareo are held in stasis for a final battle, that sounds quite interesting. --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 17:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- My apologies! That wasn't you but some anon! I just took the last editor --Dark Angel 2020 (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
--I didn't do the tower thing, though I did some speculating on the part on the Flesh Tearers since it's said they had a large proportion of DC
Now, it's been noted (as least in older fluff) that there are those in the DC that have suffered the Red Thirst (namely Calistarius, and), though the only proof I have in that is Mephiston's 2E and 3E entry (even that I might have mixed up the 3E one a bit). Later editions retconned it into Black Rage leading to Red Thirst. ~~
On The Venatari Shields
I think you're confusing the 30k Custodes for their 40k counterparts. In 40k their shields double as power axes since they have the same strength bonus and AP. In 30k their shields are not power axes, they are only AP3 and cannot penetrate Artificer/Terminator Armour. This puts them in the same realm as the Custodes talons (before the FAQ buffed them) and Frost Blades. -- Triacom (talk) 19:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Seems like I did. Baffling why the hell it's weaker in 30k than in 40k, but it is. ThatOneBruvva (talk) 20:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- I wouldn't really say it's weaker, just different since it's stronger than a power sword and weaker than a power axe. In 40k it's just a power axe. Then again the Custodes as a whole have gotten a lot stronger in the 10k years between the heresy and the current setting. -- Triacom (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)