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This chat is about the Nameless One, a Chaos deity that I made. Leave constructive criticism if you wish.

The Nameless One, also known as The Great Unknown, the Lord of Chaos, the Lord of All, and Chaos Undivided, is a primordial Warp Entity that is, in fact, not a Chaos God. While the Chaos Gods are entities based off of mortal emotions or concepts, the Nameless One is in fact an ancient Warp Entity that predates all mortal life, perhaps even the Materium itself. In the beginning, The Nameless One was the Warp itself, a omniscient and omnipresent entity within the Immaterium, sleeping in an eternal, still night. However, when the Old Ones began to grow and spread across the universe, the Nameless One awoke, and began to feed off of the emotions and desires of the growing mortal races. Eventually, it gained such a taste for mortal souls and mortal emotions that it created the Warp predators known as the Enslavers, and at the climax of the War in heaven, the Enslaver plague spread across the Galaxy. This feeding off of emotions would be the Nameless One's downfall, however. The emotions and concepts within the Warp that he fed upon gained lives of their own, birthing the Chaos Gods. They would rebel against their predescessor and eventually overthrow him, shattering him into small shards of psychic energy. These shards became Furies, the Daemons of Chaos Undivided. In Warhammer Fantasy Battle, however, The Nameless One was not shattered, instead simply fading into the background until the time came for him to choose an Everchosen. Because the Nameless One does not need the mortal emotions to survive, he can, and will, devour the entirety of reality. To ensure the final victory of Chaos in the Fantasy universe, he created the daemonic demigod the Horned Rat to create an army to conquer the world with. Because of his efforts, Archaon was chosen as The Nameless One's Herald, and drowned the Warhammer World in Chaos. The Chaos Gods were going to feast, but the Nameless One consumed all non-chaotic Gods, including all elven Gods (including Isha, poor Nurgle) All dwarf Gods, and all human gods. The Chaos Gods of Order were also consumed as the 4 Chaos Gods and the Horned Rat scattered, fleeing madly for their lives.

With the Warhammer World as his own, and the End Times complete, The Nameless One then turned his attention to the Warhammer 40,000 universe, hoping to regain the lost pieces of himself, destroy the universal force of Order, and regain it's place as Chaos Undivided.

So far, however, Abaddon hasn't been living up to his expectations. Though he marked the Despoiler as his own, with the Mark of Chaos Ascendant, Abaddon has been advancing at a slow pace, and The Nameless One waits for the tables to turn. The only entities that are a genuine threat to it's existence are the Necrons and the Tyranids, with the Shadow in the Warp perhaps eclipsing his power, and the Necron pylons keeping him from the delicious Material universe he so craves for.

Also, he consumed Malal, explaining why no one talks about him anymore.

Every number is his holy number. He also bears the titles of every Chaos God, being the sum total of Chaos. Every color can invoke him, but his primary color is black.

He is also the darkness the Tyrant Star, Komus, heralds. The Tyrant Star is in fact a physical harbinger of the age where The Nameless One rules over Mankind, and all creation.

Alright, here's my two cents. Don't expect me to go easy on you, though.

The origin story contradicts everything known about how the Chaos Gods were actually formed. The emotions and concepts spontaneously generated the Chaos Gods from what was previously a calm Warp because of the sheer amount of them being released during the War in Heaven. Furthermore, the Furies are supposedly the souls of opportunistic beings who refused to dedicate themselves to any one Chaos God, and therefore are rejected by all of them. It also seems that you misunderstand the nature of Chaos Undivided; Chaos Undivided views all of Chaos Gods as aspects of one primordial entity, as opposed to said entity being separate from the other Chaos Gods and opposed to all of them. But most of all, it seems to me like you're trying to hard to create a single overriding BBEG for the setting, and quite frankly it has enough overarching villainous forces already. On the whole, it's a decent concept but it just doesn't hold up when you look at it too closely and it goes against several pieces of established lore. At the very least, you should drop how he's supposedly the Lord of Chaos and make him an independent minor god (key word being "minor"). Otherwise you look like you're trying to upstage the big 4. --Newerfag (talk) 18:07, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

While I agree with your criticism I don't quite agree with your solution, I think it would be fine to give the warp a sort of primordial intelligence that all the gods are then formed from, but I think it's a bad idea to make it like the chaos gods. In previous editions some Chaos Space Marines worshipped the concept or nature of chaos without worshipping any particular god, and even though they lacked the gifts of the various deities this was still something that gave them protection and power, as such I think there's merit in making this thing just a sort of animal intelligence, one that can do things (like make warp storms) but doesn't have too much reason for doing what they're doing (because chaos or whatever). I think that would fill their original idea of Chaos Undivided having an intelligence yet not being like a god, wouldn't contradict the previous fluff as badly as well as having something the various gods be formed out of without contradicting who they are. -- Triacom (talk) 19:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

But wouldn't that in turn amount to making it little more than "the Tyranid Hive Mind, but with Chaos"? --Newerfag (talk) 19:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so, nothing is born from the Tyranid hive mind whereas intelligence is formed from this and it feeds in different ways. Removing the bit about it wanting to absorb the material realm would help especially since that's contradictory to the earlier part (where it say it enjoyed their emotions to the point of creating the Enslavers). If everyone is dead there's nothing to feed on. -- Triacom (talk) 20:07, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok, how about this? In the part of history where the Warp was calm and still, before the War in heaven and possibly before the Old Ones, the realm was calm because the entire Immaterium was one, massive entity: The Nameless One. However, when the Enslaver Plague happened and Chaos was born (Chaos before the Gods) the Nameless One awoke, and vomited the Enslavers into reality to consume the material universe, since the Nameless One has a craving to dominate something, and since it was the Warp at that point, it didn't rule anything. However, the Chaos Gods, when they were born, destroyed him, shattering him into billions of shards (not Furies). The Chaos Gods combined their powers into Be'Lakor later on, but the reason they restricted the pooling of their power after Be'Lakor was not only because of the uncontrollable nature of Be'Lakor, but also the fact that Chaos Undivided invoked the Nameless One.

So basically, the Nameless One starts out as the Warp, is turned into the "animal intelligence" of the Warp, and, because of the Undivided faith of the Word Bearers and Black legion, he became a minor god that was strengthened by the God's combining of powers, creating the mark of Chaos Ascendant. Abaddon is marked as the champion of Chaos, and if he personally slays the Emperor, then the Astronomicon, the "God-Emperor" presence within the Warp, will be claimed by "Chaos Ascendant", allowing the Nameless One to use that psychic energy to be reborn and devour the 4.

Does that work?

NO. The Mark of Chaos Ascendant is a product of the combined will of the Big 4- tying him to it makes him look like a special snowflake nobody will like. Nameless One is just a semi-sentient minor god leeching off of the concept of Chaos Undivided (which isn't technically him, just a concept he happens to feed off of and if the Big 4 weren't so busy with the Imperium and each other they'd gladly finish what they started. The Enslavers can be his daemons (and the shards could be repurposed into his greater daemons), but that's it. The emotion it would most closely embody is hunger, and maybe you could drop a hint or two about it being connected to the Tyranid Hive Mind since they have such similar goals. --Newerfag (talk) 04:27, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

You'd be far better off just making him the reason people get boosted with the Mark of Chaos Undivided. Everyone wants to make their own creation bigger and better than everything else, but that's not a good idea, or good writing to do so. If you truly want to emulate 40K, give him a goal that he cannot possibly accomplish or make his deeds attributed to something else. For example if he wants to consume the 4 chaos gods, make it so that cannot happen. If he wants followers, make it so that the recievers of the mark of Chaos Undivided attribute it to worship of the 4, or just a type of warp-tech in general without realizing that there's somewhat of an intelligence there because it's not aware enough of how to act on its own. -- Triacom (talk) 05:36, 20 June 2015 (UTC)