Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Renegades And Heretics(8E)

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Forge World announced the Imperial Armour Index: Astra Millitarum, and it included the full updated Renegades and Heretics army list.

This is a complete revamp of the three old 3rd Edition army lists that were printed across Imperial Armour 5-7 If you're looking for the old tactica then check here or here

Why Play Renegades & Heretics[edit]

Pros[edit]

  • You've got leftover units from the old Eye of Terror campaign that introduced Lost and the Damned, as well as some stuff from old CSM and IG codices (mostly good stuff).
  • You want to play chaos without superhumans or daemons.
  • Alternately, because you want to take Imperial Guard tanks or hordes of traitors, mutants and cultists alongside your Chaos Space Marines and Daemons in a general Chaos keyword army.
  • You love the great diversity provided with many options for your units.
  • Modelling opportunities are simply amazing with this army. Even though the army is widely based on hordes, you can pick units basically from any model site, since renegades are very diverse. You can also use a load of your old Warhammer Fantasy bits.
  • An army of literally Your Dudes. You can theme your army lore nearly any way you want. Mercenaries, corrupt Rogue Trader forces, sky pirates, beastmen - go wild!
  • Between the resurrection of Genestealer cults, the new Necromunda, and the exploding industry of third party models, you're practically swimming in bits ripe for conversion to make an army that's truly your own.
  • Like their loyalist brothers, you get plenty of bodies dirt cheap if not cheaper. NOPE. You pay just as much as loyalists do.
  • Imperial Guard Heavy Support is some of the best in the game
  • Your Elites slot actually outshines loyalist scum

Cons[edit]

  • Modeling perspective
    • If you don't like conversions, you're gonna hate this army. Many of the units in this army have no official kits, so kitbashing and conversions are a must. If you don't want to simply get Cultists or Guardsmen models and paint them as you wish, you'll have to basically build the army from scratch or buy a lot of the conversion kits from Forgeworld.
    • Oh yeah, this is a Forgeworld army too. While you're by no means forced to go exclusively Forgeworld, it'll still be a more expensive army than their loyalist counterparts, especially if you want to run vehicles en-masse.
  • Gaming perspective
    • This army can be lethal on their own, sure, but the army really shines when supported by Daemons and CSM, meaning yet another Codex you'll have to buy.
    • Because Uncertain Worth is a thing, don't expect your gunline to hold for very long without liberal use of Enforcers once shit hits the fan.
    • Strength and Toughness 3 means that people will die in droves and you'll go splat when someone even looks your way
  • In terms of uniqueness, character, customization, and pretty much everything that made this army fun in 7th edition: we got royally shafted. The only army that had more things cut from it in the transition to 8th was Eldar Corsairs. If you enjoyed renegades in 7th, it's unlikely you won't be disappointed somehow by what they've become. They are still capable on the table, but they're nowhere near as customizable or fun to listbuild.
  • You will struggle vs loyalist scum particularly if they give a Banblade "Vengence of Cadia"

Changes Moving to 8th Edition[edit]

8th Edition removed a lot of the customizability of the old R&H list, but improved their elite choices considerably, and gave most of your infantry squads free Chaos Covenants to boot.

  • Marauders and Disciples are both 3+ BS 3+ WS, meaning they outclass guard veterans at the same price, though they can take fewer special weapons (2 for Marauders, 1 for Disciples).
  • Random Leadership is now d6+2 (or +3 for Fanatics), down from +4, but Enforcers flat out deny all morale tests at the cost of d3 casualties.
  • Demagogue Devotions are out, as is master of renegades (Not that you need it now that Faction Keywords exist.)
  • Chaos Covenants are free, and on every infantry unit other than marauders and Malefic Lords. Malefic Lords get covenants as per the FAQ.
  • HQ choices are all-round pretty solid, Psykers are now at par with the other armies, and As of Chapter Approved, Malefic Lords are horribly overcosted; take daemon heralds instead as they're better and cheaper. Rogue psykers are superior to their wyrdvane equivalents. Renegade Commander is only useful for filling out HQ slots on the cheap and unlocking covenants.
  • Militia training is gone, leaving your troops choices lacking on BS. All your vehicles stay BS 4+ though. It appears any in-common units from the IG codex/section of the Imperial Armour book retain their stats (BS4+, armor saves, leadership).
  • Carapace armor is now a hot commodity, only available on Marauders.
  • Mutants are now an all-round good assault unit, instead of a nasty variable, but they have the chance to lose d6 models from their mutations.
  • As per the big FAQ, Chaos faction keyword is no longer eligible for battleforged lists, meaning that you can no longer ally with ANYTHING, and that all comparisons to the spiky fellows are effectively moot. Nobody loves you.

Gee Dubs with their total simplification of everything on God-Empah's Not-so-green Earth, that is 8th edition, has managed to suck out every last bit of fluffiness from the army that basically lived by it. No longer can your poor doomed fucks be a marauding PDF force led by a nutjob general, a chaos doom-cult uprising on the move, an abhuman helot protest party or a misguided mini-revolution of unwashed masses. Not anymore you can't. Now you're just a bunch of murderhobos who raided a Munitorum vehicle cache and worship the Pantheon out of... sheer fucking stupidity I guess. Some people find it appalling, but to everyone their own. In addition, we pay the same price for our infantry equivalents, except they have worse BS, worse armor save, variable leadership, and no orders.

Alternate Take: It's not THAT bad, and it is almost a certainty that we will be getting our Demagogue devotions back by the time we get a proper supplement. Covenants work fine, and if you really relied on the more customizable aspects of the R&H, the only major loss has been our Grenadiers, which were ridiculously broken anyways, and the changes to the nurgle covenant. In addition all of our units are now balanced enough that they don't need insane customization options to be viable. R&H are in a generally good place right now, with the exception of a few units' point values (Looking at you Militia!).

Renegade Armory[edit]

Ranged Weapons[edit]

Plasma Pistol: Shoots plasma. Good for champs so long as you feel your squad loadout will keep them within 12 of the enemy, and you have a viable way of delivery.

Bolt Pistol: Shoots micro missiles. Okay for the 1 point upgrade, put it on your marauders or disciples if you want. Good for using up some leftover points.

Las Pistol: Shoots a laser, for free. Used primarily for throwing around a free shot in the shooting phase for your special dudes in CC, but the additional range makes it nice for taking shots before a charge, too.

Autopistol: Shoots a bullet. Your muties can squeeze off some rounds in close combat that will mostly miss but you do get more hits and potential wounds in.

Stub Gun: Also shoots a bullet, but only as far as it's 6" range for some reason. No improvement over an Auto or Las Pistol, so completely useless. The real meme is the fact that this weapon is not even a part of the army list anymore.

Shotgun: Shoots buckshot. S3 AP0 R12" Assault 2 and becomes S4 at 6" - overall a good gun. Can be taken by lots of individual models as well as Mutants and Marauders.

Lasgun: The classic. Like an Autogun, but with Lazors.

Autogun: The other classic. Like a Lasgun, but with Dakka.

Bolter: Same S4 range 24 gun everyone else gets, exclusive for Marauder Champions

Melee Weapons[edit]

Power Sword: Not a particularly good choice unless you plan on fighting Sisters of Battle, or Eldar. Viable, but not optimal. Covenant of Khorne makes it Okay for MEQ hunting, since you can get S4 AP-3 on the first turn of combat, but you don't have many ways of getting reliable charges against the same unit since you don't have get back in the fight, and it still only does 1 Damage, so it's not viable versus terminators or bikes.

Power Axe: This will be your main marine killer for melee SLs, since you can wound marines on 3+ when charging with covenant of Khorne.

Power Maul: Generally the best option for the points, since you can get it to S6 AP -1 with covenant of Khorne. Good for threatening light vehicles and monsters. Also good for killing ogryns, but the Power fist does that better.

Power Fist: Pretty good, especially since Disciples and Commanders get the benefit of Covenant of Khorne, giving you Str 8. AP-3 on the charge. Marauders can use it too, but they generally make better use of the axe or maul, since they can't get covenants. If you have the leftover points this is worth it for your elites. Good for countering Sentinels and Light vehicles, and threatening heavy vehicles in melee, especially with the D3 Dmg. Even better since Chapter Approved gave them a discount.

Chainsword/Brutal Melee Weapon: Give this to any of your troops SLs, since they generally need the +1 attack more than the AP or Str. It's free, and they're identical so it's up to style how you model your dudes.

Heavy Weapons[edit]

Autocannon: Good weapon for your disciples, since 2 accurate shots with -1 rend is always nice. Bad on low accuracy units (so all of your troops choices). Discounted in Chapter Approved.

Heavy Bolter: Good choice if you want more firepower than a heavy stubber, but keep in mind this is double the price for +1 str and -1 ap, which doesn't do much since you are BS 5+ on most things. Good for adding extra umph to some Disciples, but takes the spot of your long range anti tank options, which are limited for infantry already.

Heavy Stubber: Good choice for your Militia squads and Heavy Weapons teams, since it has volume of fire. Str4 is okay, but you aren't going to see as many hits as you would like with this weapon. If you want to supplement your disciple squads the Bolter is a better option.

Lascannon: Good for your disciples, since they can take advantage of the high damage single shot. Mainly for taking out vehicles, but you should be using sentinels to field these ideally.

Missile Launcher: Okay to mass up since the frag can generate a lot of shots, but not reliable for your Heavy Support teams otherwise.

Mortar: Same as missile launcher, only cheaper. Take this or Stubbers in general for your anti-infantry needs.

Special Weapons[edit]

Plasmagun: Good for dealing minor hits on light vehicles and monstrous creatures, and 1-shot-kills terminators when overcharged. Solid now that the 1/6 chance of death is optional for an extra Str and Dmg. Should be your go to special weapon for general use. Chapter Approved almost doubled their cost for models with BS 3+.

Meltagun: An AP -4 12" 1d6 damage tank hunter weapon, which takes the highest of 2d6 when in half range. Good for close range Tank and MC hunters, but overkill for killing Heavy infantry. Keep these on your Disciples and Marauders, as your militia is BS 5+. Chapter Approved upped their cost for BS 3+ models as well.

Flamer: For when you don't want the enemy to get closer to you, but you want to get close to them. The d6 autohits make it good on the charge, and str4 means it will decimate t3 hordes quite easily. Competes with the Grenade Launcher for best weapon for Militia.

Grenade Launcher (Frag+Krak): 1d6 lasgun shots, or a krak grenade at 24 inches. A good choice for standard infantry who don't need to be specialized, and for militia who can use the extra hits at long range. They're also cheap assault weapons with good range, so they're nice add-ons to units that are going to be advancing anyway.

Sniper Rifle (Marauders Only): Good for dealing wounds on characters, and okay at wounding everything else. Not the best since they don't auto-wound on 4+ anymore, but the 36" range and changes to heavy weapons makes them good for ranged skirmishing units, and they only cost 2 points. If you see a character who is on their last wounds, take a few pot shots with these, and see if you cant finish them off. Otherwise use them to pick apart units to force morale tests, or deal wounds on MEQs, MCs and Light vehicles.

Special Rules[edit]

Covenants of Chaos[edit]

This rule does nothing unless you take a Renegade Commander as your Warlord, and even then, the change only propagates to infantry with <chaos covenant> in his own detachment, not to any other R&H detachments he took with him.

  • Covenant of Khorne: adds +1S "in a turn in which it has charged"; the grammar here is shoddy at best, easily implying that every charge permanently adds a strength, but the RAI is almost certainly that the buff expires at the end of the turn.
  • Covenant of Nurgle: Get a 6++ against attacks with S4 or less - so attacks with no strength, like most poisons, ignore it entirely. Great job, Forge World. (Zero is less than 4 it is the stupid retarded Russ movement debate all over...)
  • Covenant of Tzeentch: Nothing at all. The actual rule adds +1 to hit when firing Overwatch, but since Overwatch is immune to modifiers, the rule does nothing.

(The Intention is obviously for the modifier to apply to overwatch, if your opponent doesn't let you do it they are a major TFG) (If someone makes a stink about it, just remind them that rules in an army's Codex always take priority over general game rules when they come into conflict.)

  • Covenant of Slaanesh: Roll an additional die when charging/advancing, dropping the lowest one. Pretty good if you are going for a fast moving infantry army.

Uncertain Worth[edit]

Roll d6+2 for most of your infantry to determine their Leadership stat, which is an average of 5.5, which is pretty bad. Use command squads to mitigate the chance of poor rolls, or Enforcers to mitigate casualties from morale.

Fanatic[edit]

Units with the Fanatic special rule roll 2d6, take the highest, and add 3, which is 7.5 usually. Pretty good leadership on average, but there are always situations where your fanatic unit is LD 4 and your militia are LD 8. generally eliminates the need for an enforcer.

Vox Caster[edit]

Roll 2d6 and take the highest +2 for leadership. 6.5 average, which is okay. Take one for 5 pts if you run MSUs and don't want to take an enforcer.

Psychic Powers[edit]

The Psychic powers of the Renegades remain thematically the same with some key differences

  • Warp Flux: WC 7, 1d3 mortal wounds within 12 inches, or 1d6 versus vehicles - so it's strictly worse than smite against nonvehicles, but strictly better against vehicles, so it does have a use.
  • Creeping Terror: WC 7, One enemy unit within 12 subtracts 1d3 from its leadership during the morale phase. Essentially the Psykana -2Ld power, only worse.
  • Unnatural Vigor:WC 10, Every R&H unit within 6 re-rolls failed charge and hit/wound rolls in the fight phase, but each unit suffers 1d3 mortal wounds! The power exempts the caster from both the bonus & the wounds (Well thank the dark gods for that). Good power for your rogue psykers, since they can get this off pretty reliably at the cost of a few wounds. If you take armored squadrons, fitting one squad of Rogue Psykers in a transport with a below-maximum squad is a pretty good option, otherwise you'll want to surround the squad in a horde, preferably inside of a transport as well, unless you have faith in your invuln. NOTE: This will kill your other characters just fine. Keep them well away! When it goes off on a mutant horde, it sure as hell does work though. It actually works quite well for your elites as well, unless you run MSU. the rerolls allow them to deal with T4/5 units in melee, and the re-rolls to hit almost guarantee 90% of your attacks will hit. Ouch. Pop this power if you can get your force in a good position to assault, and make sure you stuff as many units near the caster as possible. It's also worth using the rogue psyker's 3rd dice and a re-roll if you can spare the command point. If you run a non-Khorne assault based army this is a must.

Unit Analysis[edit]

HQ[edit]

The Renegade HQ choices are all fairly reliable, and comparable to their Astra Militarum counterparts in most ways, however they are fragile when compared to, for example, a SM Captain, and lack any form of save better than a 4+. Keep them out of the line of fire, but they can score a few choice hits in melee and make quite a difference if given the opportunity.

  • Renegade Commander: A Traitor Astra Millitarum Commander. Is the source of your Covenant of Chaos. FAQ made them a character, so they are no longer in danger of being mulched by heavy weapons as soon as they come on the table. They are Okay in melee, but if you want a melee champion you should be taking a Chaos Lord, since there is nothing stopping you. You can do anything you want with these guys, but they don't provide any aura buffs,so keep them away from the fighting if they are your warlord. 5++ is their best save, but 4W 3A 3+ BS/WS on a guardsman statline is lackluster, so if you go into combat make sure you fight enemies that aren't going to kill you.
  • Malefic Lord: A all round reasonable psyker unit. He has a 4++, T4 and 4W, and knows 2 Psychic powers in addition to smite. If he perils and survives he gets massive bonuses to his melee, dealing 2 Damage and increasing his strength to 8 and AP to -2, but he has to deal with the lost wounds from his peril (with no way to restore them), which might mean he dies before getting any good melee off. For 80 pts he is a solid psyker choice, but it is unlikely that you will get to use his possessed form. Good if you want a cheap (not so cheap since chapter approved), but reliable model to take up an HQ slot on the cheap, or if you want a more versitile caster, but if you have points to spare the Rogue Psykers are more reliable for getting 1D6 Smites or Unnatural Vigor activated, and more likely to survive perils.
    • Alternate Take: Those guys are crazy good at dealing mortal wounds efficiently. Before them a Primaris psyker was the best bang for your buck at 40 points, dealing an average of 4.79 mortal wounds / 100 points. Malefic lords deal 6.39 mw / 100 points, *and* are tougher with T4 and 4++. Spam them with a cheap bubblewrap (who said brimstone horrors?) and go melt faces.
      • Well, thanks to all the Those Guys who listened to ^^That^^ Guy and GW's sudden change of heart regarding prompt fixes to overly efficient units after years of super cheap Wraithknights, the Malefic Lord has gone from a bargain to ... well, rather less of a bargain, with a nearly 200% points increase. Take a daemon herald instead; Slaanesh are a lot faster and 14 pts cheaper, Nurgle is a LOT tougher and 10 pts cheaper, and Tzeentch gets 24" smite with a staff for 3 points more. All three get better powers to choose from, they synergise with daemons and daemonic CSM units, and the Slaanesh and Nurgle versions are good in melee without having to perils first.
  • Rogue Psyker Coven: 5 Rogue Psykers for 100 points, they know only one psychic power in addition to smite and are pretty bad in any form of non-psychic combat, only having 5+/5++. They do have a 5++, and the extra bodies helps prevent psychic explosions from perils of the warp. Can choose to roll 3d6 in the psychic phase instead of 2d6, but lose 1d3 wounds from it. For some reason they have 3 wounds each, which means they can afford to use the extra dice on almost every round without severe penalty, and can take a fair amount of punishment. Good for casting Unnatural Vigor on a large squad of mutant rabble heading for melee, or a reliable Warp Flux squad, but not combat or shooting effective outside of the Psychic Phase. They do have the potential to deal a fairly reliable d6 of damage on smite, so nothing to laugh about. The most reliable smite unit in the game, since they only ever fail to cast it if they peril.

Troops[edit]

  • Renegade Cultists: Cultists from the CSM list that exchange mark of chaos for chaos covenant (and that cost 1 point more). (Chapter Approved made them the same as the CSM list, just max squads of 30 instead of 40) good for armies that want a few reliable, but cheap infantry for ranged firepower, but inferior to their guard counterparts unless you kit them out for melee or use their covenant for a specific purpose. They can only take Heavy Stubbers and Flamers, so they are killier than Militia, but less customizable. A small squad with Autogun/Stubber could deal some good damage, as could an assault squad with flamers and Brutal melee weapons. If you want mid-range Dakka for sitting on objectives these seem to be the right squad, kitted with autoguns and a stubber they can deliver lots of shots downtable or at any pesky flankers. Just don't expect them to put much of a dent into MEQs, especially Primaris.
  • Renegade Militia: Poorly Trained mortal soldiers, only hitting on 5+ in melee and shooting, and with 6+ saves. They can take heavy weapons (1 per 10) and special weapons (1 per 5), but you should only ever give them Heavy Bolters/Stubbers, Mortars or flamers. In numbers and with an enforcer to stop them fleeing they can make up for their poor accuracy, but otherwise you should mostly use them to screen your valuable units.
  • Renegade Mutant Rabble: A decent meatshield squad, especially since they have a chance to get T4. They roll a D6 at the start of the battle and either get +2 Movement, +1 Attacks on the charge, +1T or lose 1d6 models to uncontrolled mutation. (FAQ fixed what happens if they roll a 5, but amusingly left the double results on a roll of 3) ( Secon FAQ fixed this, 1, d6 die, 2-3 plus one movement, 4-5 plus one attack and 6 is plus 1 T). Good meat-shields, and can do a bit of damage if they get into melee. An Enforcer can be the difference between this squad dying to small arms fire, or getting into melee, so if you intend on running more than 10 models you should take one. An enforcer also combines well since they can take a plasma pistol to fire into melee, and get a few wounds on any valuable units your mutants might tangle with. It is advisable to use this squad to force enemy weapon teams and tanks to fall back, or encircle them entirely if you have enough models.

Elites[edit]

Elites are the hammer of R&H armies, with all of the elite choices quite killy. They will be making your plays while your troops soak up the hits. Taking a Renegade army of nothing but Vanguard detachments and Transports is a perfectly reasonable strategy.

  • Renegade Command Squad: A squad for boosting the morale of nearby units, or reducing enemy morale. Their Banners provide bonuses to melee or reduce enemy morale, and the Command Vox-Caster allows all units with a vox-caster within 10 feet to use the command squad's leadership, if it's higher. Command squads are good for armies that contain lots of infantry hordes, or Disciple-heavy armies that don't want to take enforcers. Keeping them near the front lines is advisable, so that they can use their banners to full effect. Take a special and heavy weapon and keep them in a 4 man squad if you don't have a banner, so that you can put them away from danger and still keep using their good BS. Otherwise, give them a melta/flamer and get into close quarters, so that you can give the banner benefits to nearby hordes/enemy squads. Banner of the Apostate stacks well with Creeping Terror for 2-4 leadership reduction, making an enemy squad quite likely to fail morale, even on a bad Creeping Terror roll.
  • Renegade Disciple Squad: 5-15 Veteran equivalents, with 3+ to shoot and hit in melee, and only a point 2 points per dude more expensive than cultists. Good for when you need accurate shooters and the best squads for taking Heavy weapons. Can be equipped with a single flamer for an assault team (no option to take shotguns) which combos well with covenant of Khorne or Tzeentch. Cultists can do the same job, but these guys do it slightly better; however, they are best reserved for good shooting squads. Can only take 1 special weapon, and 1 heavy weapon, so they lack the firepower of guard veterans, or the dakka of the militia, but can field up to 15 bodies to compensate, and have the option to be taken in 5-man squads instead of 10. They have Fanatic and a Vox-caster, meaning you roll 3 dice and choose the highest before adding 3, giving you solidly average leadership of 7.96, unlike the 7.47 of only having Fanatic.
  • Renegade Enforcer: Stops your rabble from running away by beating 1-3 guys to death. They are pretty much Chaos Commissars before Commissars were nerfed. They combo best with over-sized units, since taking 1-3 losses on 5 10-man squads is worse than 1-3 on 1 50-man squad. If you run hordes, you need a couple of these. They can also take a pistol or melee weapon. The pistol is the better choice, since if you take a melee weapon and charge into melee, the opponent gets to target the enforcer.
  • Renegade Marauder Squad: Squad of 5-10 marauders with 0-2 brutes; these can and probably will be the stars of your army. They are a good unit for precision strikes or long range attrition warfare. Small sniper teams or large assault teams are your best options. Marauders have a good stat line, with 3+ BS and WS, T3 S3, A2, and Ld7; their Chieftain has 2 wounds, Ld8, and can take a bolter or item from the ranged weapon list, and a melee weapon. Brutes get 3 wounds and Strength 4, as well as an extra attack, but are badly overcosted at 30 points per model, compared to 6 point marauders, and they are hardly worth that number of bodies. 2 models in the squad can take special weapons regardless of size, and the unit comes with 2 special rules: "Specialist" and "In it for the Money". The latter means that instead of rolling morale you roll a d6, on a 2+ the unit if fine. on a 1 the entire unit flees off the table; use a command re-roll if you fail this, because there isn't much else you would use re-rolls for unless you plan on using heroic morale. Makes the unit quite resilient to grievous casualties, but also makes them vulnerable to losing a few models since the roll is all or nothing - the number of models you expect lose to Morale is always 1/6 of the number you have alive, provided you took at least one casualty, no matter how many casualties you've taken beyond the first. Specialist gives them one of 3 Doctrines:
    • Stalker: -1 to enemy shooting at the unit, and +1 to cover bonuses. Combos well with long ranged weapons like Plasma, Grenade Launcher and Sniper Rifles, and makes you the envy of Raven Guard, Alpha Legion, and Alaitoc, who only get this at 12" or more out.
      • This is generally going to be your best choice, hands down - take a bolter, two shotguns, two plasma guns (though this is a lot less tempting since CA almost doubled their cost), and this specialty, and go out there and start winning firefights.
    • Murder Cultists: Re-roll failed to-hit rolls in the fight phase. Okay, but the unit is Str 3, so it's wounding enemies that poses a problem. You can get re-rolls anyway with unnatural vigor (unreliably, and at the cost of d3 models), and if you really want to get stuck in melee, you should be going for the carapace save.
    • Hereteks: Carapace armor and Krak grenades (so that you can have a second Krak grenade, for the lolz). A balanced choice that is particularly good for Armored fist units, or anyone who wants a reliable save.
      • Benefits your close combat and shooting units equally, but remember that power swords will straight-up deny your save, so watch out for them.
      • Standard Marauders can't take Heavy Stubbers or power weapons like they could in last edition, which is sad since it makes the murder cult weak, and makes snipers their only long range option.
  • Renegade Ogryn Beast Handlers: 3-6 Hounds and an Ogryn Pack Master. The hounds reduce enemy morale by 1 if they deal unsaved wounds, and the Ogryn Pack Master is equipped with a Ripper claw (SUser AP-1 D1d3) and Mauler Goad (Suser AP0 D1, but an unsaved wound grants the Hounds +1 to hit rolls against the same unit for the turn). Can use combat stims to increase the number of attacks of the beastmaster infinitely (if you want to get that cheeky goad wound, or get wounds with the claw), but you risk killing him if you do so (see the Brutes section for more discussion of stims, but this unit can only have one Ogryn in it, so the risk is greater). Good for killing hordes, since they have a lot of attacks and affect morale. The entire unit is infantry, so they benefit from cover.
    • Even with Covenant of Slaanesh this squad suffers from footslogging as it's not the quickest getting across the table with a base movement of 6". That combined with a 5+ save, crap leadership and a max unit size of 7 means it's vulnerable to getting spammed out with dakka, which is a shame as it's quite killy for a sub-100 point choppy unit which really should be able to charge in and tie things up early on. On the other hand it fits very nicely in a stolen Valkyrie which in addition to allowing you a reliable T1 charge can also drop Malefic Lords along the way via gravchute should you feel like summoning some daemons to back them up.
  • Renegade Ogryn Brutes: 3-12 Ogryns, but without guns. Have Ogryn weapons, which are S+1 AP-1 D2, so with mark of Khorne they can tear T7 vehicles a new one, but their main use should be against characters - they aren't built for monster-hunting. They can take multiple wounds, and they deal multiple wounds with AP, and their reliable WS and number of attacks means they're likely to score several unsaved wounds; 3 wounds is all you need to bring most characters down. With a 3 man unit, you are getting 12 attacks on the charge, potentially at S7, so if you want to remove an SM Captain, or a pesky Primaris squad, this is the unit. Keep in mind this is relying on them hitting first, so don't go charging a howling banshee squad and expect to come out on top (though at proper numbers you should).
    • They have the same Combat Stimms rules as the Packmaster above, which is broken as fuck, and worth discussing, because the buff has no duration. At the start of every Assault phase, both yours and your opponent's, you can activate the stimms. Roll 1d6; on a 1, you lose a single Ogryn Brute. On a 2-5, each Ogryn Brute in the unit gains +1A, and on a 6, +1d3A (rolling once for the entire unit). This buff never expires, and stacks with itself, since it applies a seemingly permanent increase to the models' profiles. Note that only the Brutes can take the Stimms - the Berserker Boss can't gain attacks or die to the drugs, so this rule is better the larger the unit. This means that, for example, a 12-model unit that has never rolled (37 attacks) will lose 3 attacks on a 1 (from 1 Brute dying), gain 11 attacks on 2-5, and gain 22 attacks on average from a 6, for a net average of gaining 10.5 attacks. Because a 1 on the die kills an Ogryn Brute wholesale, you lose more attacks the more you've buffed the unit, but you gain attacks relative to the size of the unit on a higher roll, so it's better to take the drugs the larger and less buffed the unit is - smaller units, and ones who have already taken a few hits, increase the risk, eventually reaching the point where it's not worth it.
      • An entire unit of A6 Ogryn Brutes on Turn 2 is an impressive sight to behold. There is no rules wording which supports this claim, and is fabricated based on weak RAW interpretation, and contradicts the previous RAI from last edition. Don't be that guy.
  • Renegade Plague Ogryns: As 3-9 Ogryns above, but they only have a Covenant of Nurgle for saves, their weapon is SUser AP-1 D1d3, and they explode on death, dealing a mortal wound to any squad that does not have the nurgle keyword within 3" on a 4+. They are interesting, and even better for killing characters, but the lack of a save versus anything Str 5 or better, and a bad save against everything else, is worrying. Coupled with their explosive death, they are a serious tactical liability, unless you can keep your minions the fuck away from these things. On the plus side, they always have the Covenant of Nurgle, so your vanguard detachment can use the HQ slot for something useful rather than the commander tax.

Dedicated Transports[edit]

  • Chimera: You know it, you love it. Gem of the metal bawks world, can take 12 of your squishy goons, now with toughness, wounds, move values and variable statistics! Unfortunately, their price went up considerably; you've been warned. Still gets the job done, but its attacks depend on volume of fire over value. No AP on anything but the Heavy Bolt/Flamer. Flamer is a good option, since it doesn't suffer from the vehicle's accuracy decay as much, and as Renegades you aren't afraid of a little CQC are you?

Fast Attack[edit]

  • Hellhound: Set things on fire with a flame tank! Curiously, you have access to the hellhound variant guns like the Chem Cannon and Melta Cannon... But you should probably take the auto-hitting ones because your BS is garbage exactly the same as normal guard. Sadly, these don't bypass cover saves anymore, but cover saves aren't as strong either. Take the basic Hellhound for hordes of GEQ, otherwise there's the Bane Wolf, whose vicious Chem Cannon wounds everything that's not a vehicle on 2s, with improved AP (at the cost of range). Thanks to renegades straight up jacking the codex entry for these tanks the Devil Dog has benefited from the same buff the normal one got: its melta cannon is now assault type. This is a pretty big boost and turns that option from worthless into one of our most reliable anti tank weapons. Zip up 12", fire away, and watch anything tank shaped melt. Sadly the hull mounted multi melta is still heavy so always take the heavy flamer for defense.
  • Scout Sentinel: These will probably be your main source of anti-infantry Heavy Weapons, because your normal heavy weapons teams are terrible shots. A T5 chassis is okay, but you are still vulnerable to small-arms, especially with a 4+ save. The scout move can be used to keep your sentinels out of danger if, for example, the enemy player steals initiative, so that is a plus. You will take this sentinel mostly for speed, so take rapid fire weapons like the multilaser, Autocannon, or Heavy Flamer (Or frag missiles from the Missile Launcher if you are feeling lucky). These will likely get focus fired at the start of the game if you don't have enough other threatening targets, but they do have 6 wounds each and no damage table, so taking a few wounds is not a problem. With Outrider Detachments you can take nothing but HQs and Sentinels, which actually isn't too bad of a army build if you organize it properly.
  • Armored Sentinels: These will probably be your main source of anti-tank seeing as to the fact that they can plop themselves in cover without being afraid of wasting the scout sentinel's extra maneuverability. Plasma cannons make them good at clearing up heavy infantry, Autocannons are good versatility, for both infantry and light vehicle targets. Lascannon/Missile Launcher are your best bet for taking out enemy armored vehicles and monstrous creatures, but will draw a heck of a lot of fire, so keep them in covered positions. If you are only going to take only one group of sentinels, the Missile Launchers are good options, since they can thin out enemy infantry squads quite nicely, and also deal with most armored targets. Lascannon is good for popping heavy tanks, where the 3+ wound -3 AP really matters.
  • Salamander: Cute little light tank with guns otherwise found on sentinels or heavy weapons squads. Pricier, tank-y-er than either; great if you have the points and are not otherwise concerned about getting bogged down in CC as these things will get bogged down in CC.
  • THE THING THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED - The gribbly beasts you know and love from the CSM codex make a return, this time in the FA slot and not requiring a chaos covenant to unlock! Still have the D6 random attacks, but now have 4 Wounds and an armor save of 5+ with no uptick in points (actually got a points decrease). The D3 table of mutations has mostly stayed the same. 1 gives your punches AP-4, 2 gives you +2 attacks, and 3 lets you re-roll failed wounds in close combat. Take a full unit of the gribbly bastards and harass your opponent's flank and squishier heavy weapons teams with anywhere from 5 to 30 S5 AP-2 attacks. Got a pretty sizable nerf to their speed though, going from 12" to 7" movement, but you still slightly outspeed most basic infantry. Are infantry type now, so they get full benefits from cover. Use this to your advantage and they'll be significantly more survivable. These guys are an even better DISTRACTION CARNIFEX unit, as it will take serious firepower to dent T5 W4 models with anything less than heavy weapons. FAQ changed these from INFANTRY to BEAST so can no longer board vehicles. Not that anyone would have ever taken advantage of that...
    • Note: The points listed for the beast are per beast, meaning they are now 33 points for each beast, instead of 55 for 3 like they were in the previous edition. Whether this is a deal-breaker is up to you.

Flyers[edit]

  • Valkyrie: The original bad bitch of the skies can hold 12 Infantry; Ogryns of any variation count as 3 models. Any infantry with the Renegades & Heretics keyword count. Transports can hold multiple units now, so have fun! Even better, Grav-Chute Deployment allows you to put anybody the bad bitch can carry 9" away from the enemy...after the Valkyrie's 20" minimum move. Can you say 'turn 1 charge with ogryns?' And to top it all off it has 2 MORE wounds than a Leman Russ tank (though 1 less toughness). Cue the music!
    • Note: On the firepower side of things, hellstrike missiles are no longer one-use only (but you can fire only 1 per turn), and the multiple rocket pod is a nice infantry muncher. However, the Valkyrie isn't immune to the penalties for firing heavy weapons on the move, and being Airborne it HAS to move, so it'll be shooting like an Ork most of the time (unless you hover but then you can also be shot at normally and/or charged by flying stuff). Spring for Multiple Rocket Pods, multilasers and door gunners with Heavy Bolters to power through the penalty. But it also may hover. So if you really want to kill something, you may switch to hover mode and let go. But prepare to die afterwards, since all the Flyer buffs are then gone like the wind.
    • Other Note: The Grav-Chute deployment still only counts as a disembarkation from a transport, allowing you your normal movement afterwards with your marauders, or your 4 Renegade Ogryn Brutes for that charge... Ogryn can fit in Valkyries, just not Vendettas (which doesn’t matter, since we don’t have access to those anyway).
  • Arvus Lighter: Actually not a bad choice for delivering units and taking heavy weapon. Gets a 3+ save, and BS 4+, and Does not have a damage table. In addition 8 woulds with an 3 up and hard to hit is never bad for a T6 flyer. It's not going to win any killing contests, but it will get your models where they need to go, and can take some potshots along the way. Also hilariously lacks the supersonic trait, which means you can do 180 degree turns all day, without having to worry about flying off the table. Twin Autocannons or Twin Heavy Stubbers seems to be the best choice for weapons, but taking the Multilasers or Twin Hellstrikes is always optional. Cheap enough to warrant being used as a tanky flying Heavy weapons team after you deliver your cargo. Unfortunately cannot transport Ogryns of any variety.

Heavy Support[edit]

  • Renegade Heavy Weapons Squad: A Heavy Weapons team with the traditional 6+ save and 5+ BS/WS, able to be taken up to six teams in a single unit. Very limited in what they can use well, stick them with Mortars and support with them. Anything else is not worth it unless you want to try to drown your enemy in heavy stubber fire, which is better done by Militia squads anyways. On the bright side, if you are within 24" range of you target, you get to fire your lasgun in addition to the heavy weapon, which helps with the absolutely dreadful accuracy, if only slightly.
    • A heavy weapons team with 3 mortars is 24 points, indirect fire for a ton of potential shots is useful for such a cheap unit, against hordes or even as a distraction, when you end up rolling 6d6 shots against one unit, they draw the eye ever so slightly.
    • Mathematically, Renegade HWS with Mortars are more points efficient against marine targets than the Wyvern by 26.3% and better against guard targets by 45%.
    • They are also T3 and have 6+ armor...
    • Throw them in with the Disciples instead, use the rest of the squad as cover. Slightly more expensive because of the squad but 3+ BS(!) instead of 5+..
    • Don't give them Lascannons, give them Mortars and throw heaps of dice. These are more points efficient with lascannons than Disciples. You can get a two HWT's with lascannons for 4 less points than a minimum Las-Disciples squad, with the same chance of landing a single hit. This also makes they slightly more points efficient than a las-predator, just a lot weaker on the defence.
    • These units are good for making cheap spearheads generating extra CP and making anti deepstrike bubbles in your back field.
    • if you want long range accurate firepower, take some Havocs instead. they fill up the same slot and can take 4 heavy weapons and a combi weapon, and get better saves and BS.
  • Leman Russ Battle Tank: The sturdiest tank in the galaxy, point-for-point. For 122 points, a T8 W12 platform with a 3+ save will consume a lot of firepower before dying. Its basic Battle Tank Cannon is Heavy D6 S8 AP-2 and took some big hits. It (along with many others) practically lost large blast, with it being lucky to get 2 hits (sorry but, 2 hits would be 5/6 of the time? Far from "lucky". That's not even average. 3 hits would be average.) (No, because you roll d6 for the number of shots which then roll to hit - so 3 or 4 shots average, 1.5 to 2 hits on BS4+) and getting 4 or more will be a rare occurrence indeed. MEQ now get a darn 5+ save instead of being auto-pasted like its 5th-7th edition iteration, but this thing's now decent against enemies with 2+ armor which is a decent trade-off. The Exterminator took a 1/3 firepower hit as well, placing it squarely worse than a predator autocannon versus big targets, and is no longer more accurate with heavy bolters than ordnance Russes. Speaking of which, with Heavy Bolters also being worth a mere 8 points each (less than half of a Heavy Flamer), adding 3 Heavy 3 S5 AP-1 weapons is a thrifty 24 points, making them more worth their points. Unlike the vanquisher. The vanquisher is proof that GW is incapable of statistics, as it performs worse against heavy armour than every leman russ turret except the exterminator, despite being one of the pricier options (doing 0.93 wounds to another russ, every other variant manages at least 1 wound). Sad thing is if GW had given it a flat 2+ to wound against vehicles or flat 2D6 damage instead of 2D6 drop the lowest, it’d perform better against most vehicles than other russes. Hopefully this will be corrected in the codex. The other mixed bag is the often overlooked Eradicator. You are effectively getting a Vanilla Russ that drops two Strength from its cannon in exchange for Ignores Cover. It's better against cover camping infantry squads (like those squishy Eldar and Tau) but may struggle against anything else. Let’s not forget that the Grinding Advance rule allows you to shoot the main gun twice if you moved less than 6”. A solid buff! Because of the wording of Defenders of Humanity in the IG codex, our Leman Russes also get ObSec when in a spearhead detachment.
  • Leman Russ Demolisher Tanks:The brawlers of the battle tank variants; no guns over 36" (except the Lascannon) and a LOT more power in exchange. The Punisher and Demolisher are statistically your best friends against troops and vehicles/monsters, respectively - a Punisher with 3 heavy bolters (176 points) or a Demolisher with 2 multi-meltas and a lascannon (212 points) can wreak impressive amounts of havoc for a single model, and unlike previous editions they don't mind being in melee (in fact with a trio of heavy flamers they'll be quite painful to charge). Also back in the running is the Executioner. With 2 plasma cannons and a hull lascannon (202 points) it can put out an impressive amount of MEQ-hate. And unlike every other model with plasma, a 1 on the hit roll of an overcharge shot doesn't kill you! Instead it inflicts 6 mortal wounds (half of the tank's health) and burns out every plasma cannon on the tank except the turret. So...yeah it’s safe enough, the Dark Mechanicus fellas said so! Really if you want to overcharge any plasma weapons, go for the Executioner cannon, a gets hot will only inflict D6 mortal wounds, it won't be disabled after overheating, and it isn't penalized for firing on the move. Like the other Leman Russes, they get ObSec when in a vanguard detachment.
    • A great Russ to consider is the cheapest (150 pts) for a Punisher and hull heavy bolter (add on storm bolter and sponsons if you have spare points). This is a very effective anti horde platform and since you are able to bring huge amounts of nearly unbreakable hordes a few of these is your ticket to heavily out mobbing every army you come across. Just clean up your opponent’s zerg swarm with the Punisher then charge in your cultists to tie up their entire army. If your opponent doesn't have a swarm army then you're already laughing.
  • Basilisk: One of your better units for hitting hard targets, the old Basilisk is back in action. Sitting at 108 points, its one of our more efficient units for hitting targets with 2+ wounds no matter where they are on the table. Focus on that last bit 'wherever they are on the table', because that's the key to utilizing the Basi strength. Keep it from enemy units.
  • Earthshaker Battery: Since its not in production anymore, you'll have to convert them down from the Basilisk Kit. What you would get from your work is just what you expect it to be; a stripped down Earthshaker cannon without any of the Basilisk's mobility and less survivability. Not that you took one for either of those. 80 points for the gun compared to the 108 of the tank version, its certainly more efficient on the offense assuming you don't care about the hull heavy bolter. Now 115 points each, thanks to Chapter Approved. It has T7 and 7 wounds too. Overall, worth taking over a basilisk if you are running a gun-line or were never going to expose it to fire anyway.
  • Medusa: Normal Medusae are not a thing anymore (?), but instead we get access to the Armageddon Pattern Medusa. Effectively a vindicator, but always has D6 shots, at the cost of D3 damage, and 1 less toughness (Which is compensated for by the gun shooting 12 inches further. Similar enough to be replaced by the vindicator if it fits your style better, but as with everything on this list YMMV.
  • Wyvern: Its infamous Wyvern quad mortars generate more attacks they did before, doing 4d6 S4 AP0 hits that re-roll to wound. Thanks to the new 8th Edition rules, the old "enemy spreads their models out to avoid blasts" tactic is moot. It's lost its "Ignores Cover" ability, which really hurts given its lack of AP. It gets 14 shots and 7 hits on an average roll, which at S4 and AP- will only reliably kill 2 or so marines. (Wait, marines? Why didn't you take a basilisk?) The Wyvern excels at killing GEQ and similar lightly armored infantry blobs, whether they're footslogging Orks, loyalist Guardsmen, or other traitors. Using this thing to target Marines is just a waste of fire and not what the weapon is designed for.
  • Griffon: A Str6 AP -1, 2d6 taking the highest dice shots, ignores cover and line of sight on a Chimera EQ chassis. A strong little weapon platform, especially since it can move and shoot without much penalty other than -1 to hit. Keep it in the back, or with your other light vehicles like your Chimeras for the extra firepower. Good for killing T3 infantry squads and light vehicles, but for marines the volume of fire of the Wyvern is better.
  • Hydra: The original AAA is back in action! with the revision to Skyfire, the Hydra can hit ground troops on 5s, and with its eight autocannon shots it's a potentially good investment even if you didn't expect flyers from your opponent. The power comes at a price, though: 123 points, up from 75. Flyers will learn to fear it, though; it puts out enough power to statistically guarantee damage versus most aircraft.
    • It doesn't just get +1 to hit against flyer. It gets it against anything with the FLY tag. Guess who has the Fly tag? Eldar Jetbikes. You did magnetize that Wyvern you bought, right?
    • There's a surprising number of other units with FLY, like the aforementioned jetbikes, Jump troops, anything that used to be a skimmer in 7th, Monoliths, half of the Dark Eldar and Tau Army Lists... It's really quite staggering. Make sure you check the tags on your target's datasheet before opening fire. And do take a picture of your opponent's face when you inform them of this.
  • Malcador Tank Family: Down(?)-graded from Lord of War to Heavy Support, the light-super-heavy tanks of the Malcador family has been smiled upon in 8th by the removal of weapon facing. This means the bizarre fixed-transfer casement the main gun sits in (and the fact that the sponsons can't train forward) no longer limits its shooting ability; also gone is the chance to break down every time it moves, apparently they finally fixed the engines on these things. The Demolisher cannons have Grinding Advance, as well. Note: The Valdor tank destroyer is still taking a Lord of War, so no spamming Neutron Lasers (not that you could spam a tank this size anyway).
  • Malcador Heavy Tank: The basic Malcador is a Russ on a steroid binge - 18 wounds instead of 12 (this is standard across all Malcadors), and it can carry autocannons or lascannons in the sponsons.
  • Malcador Defender: Now we're talkin'! In a remarkable display of foresight, the Defender eschews the nerfed turret weapons of its brothers for an interwar-style turret fitted with five(!) heavy bolters. Two more on the sponson mounts make for a bullet hose to rival the Stormlord - at 21 shots, it can chew up blobs but good! It also adds 1 to its overwatch hit rolls (which doesn't actually do anything - Overwatch requires a 6, regardless of modifiers; nice one, Forge World)(overwatch always hits on a roll of a 6, and ignores modifiers to shooting. With the modifier added specifically to overwatch, you would now hit on 5s). A demolisher cannon is still present on the hull for tougher targets.
  • Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: Got nerfed hard and went from auto-include to nope. Twin-linked is gone but it still fires only one shot; so there is no chance to reroll that 4+ except CPs. Still the gun is S12 and if the shot hits on a roll of 3-5 it does 2D6 damage and on a 6 it's upped to 3D6 (so you could hypothetically one-shot a Land Raider but it is highly unlikely). The price got almost doubled to 74 points for one gun and a crew of two. The rapier has 3 wounds now but unfortunately is only T5. Mathhammer says it will only beat out a team of lascannons (of similar cost) against 2+ models, models of T6 and below, and 3+ models of T9 and above. Not worth buying, but if you have it, save it for the really tough stuff.
    • Alternate opinion: These are all valid criticisms and Forgeworld should really refund the money of any poor soul who bought these in the twilight days of 7th Edition, but putting this out here: if this thing does hit, it will kill almost anything you point it at.
    • It is also more durable than a lascannon in general, as the crew can't be targeted unless they are the closest model (even by sniper fire). It also helps you out by adding the one thing R&H need: Infantry based mid range Anti-Tank firepower. The insane wound potential also helps as a selling point, since 2d6 wounds is the average, and the gun has potential to do more on a good roll. It may be niche, but this gun fits nicely with renegades.
  • Heavy Mortar Battery: Another crewed gun, the Heavy Mortar hits like a midway between a normal mortar and the Earthshaker Cannon. Unfortunately it takes after the latter in price - 72 points for a 3-man team and the gun carriage. Potentially viable if you've got the models, but nothing special.
  • Heavy Quad Launcher Battery: Also known as the Thudd Gun. Invented by a race of abhumans whose worlds were lost to the Tyranids sometime in the mid-M40s (it's not clear) and much beloved by Grim loyalists, 8th Edition's Thudd Gun behaves like a Wyvern's quad-gun, without the rerolls to wound (perhaps it doesn't use airburst ammunition?). It's also the exact same cost as a Wyvern, sans the heavy bolter the latter gets with its Chimera mobile platform. Workable if you have it, not worth the money if you don't.
  • Colossus Bombard: Finally gaining the toughness of the Leman Russ chassis it's mounted on, the Colossus still ignores cover, though that doesn't do as much now. Downside, it costs as much as a Leman Russ, too. The mortar itself has gotten a HUGE range increase (In fact this might be a typo - 240 inches), and hits like a Heavy Mortar with slightly better AP. It fires twice as many shots, too.

Lords of War[edit]

  • Macharius Family: the middle child of the super heavy tanks, the Macharius series starts to wield titan-sized guns, while the non-tank variants of the chassis bring to the field some of the largest transport capacities in the game. FAQ ADDED THEM TO THE R&H LIST
    • Macharius Heavy Tank: Suffers from a lot of the problems that the Leman Russ suffers from, and it doesn't even get to ignore the -1 penalty for firing its main weapon on the move. It has the potential to deal a lot of damage, but like the Leman Russ battle cannon, the likelihood of it actually doing anything isn't that high. If you really have your heart set on this tank, consider the Macharius Vanquisher as an alternative.
    • Macharius Omega: Its plasma blast gun is pretty amazing, especially if you can keep it still. Only 1 mortal wound per to-hit roll of 1 on the supercharged firing mode, and even if you play it safe, each shot is still doing as much damage as a normal supercharged plasma gun shot, but with much better range. Consider this if facing big squads of MEQ... now, if only FW still made the model for it.
    • Macharius Vanquisher: Two Vanquisher shots are better than one, and if all else fails, you can fire this as a slightly less potent version of the twin battle cannon that the Macharius Heavy Tank has, making this a more versatile choice. It's still nothing to write home about in the grand scheme of things, but at least you get two shots for the Vanquisher cannon instead of 1.
    • Macharius Vulcan: The Vulcan Mega Bolter retains the ability to spin up to maximum speed if the tank hasn't moved, doubling its rate of fire to 30. On a S6 AP-2 gun, that's some SERIOUS pain. With 15 hits on average, you'll be mowing down entire GEQ squads with an average of 12.5 wounds per shooting phase. This is a nice tank to have up your sleeve when that Ork player floods the board with Boyz.
  • Baneblade Family: The galaxy's premier super-heavy tank has been lucky this edition, with almost-universal reductions in points, retention of fire points, amazing toughness, and the addition of the Steel Behemoth rule. The Steel Behemoth rule is especially powerful on Baneblades; Versus targets in melee it may fire its twin heavy flamers and twin heavy bolters like pistols, targeting foes within 1" - this makes a fully-armed Baneblade variant one of the meanest models in the game in close quarters, dealing out an average of 31 hits, at S5 AP-1 - and that's before it uses its adamantium tracks, which swing at s9 ap-2 for d3 damage up to 9 times. And those flamers hit on overwatch, too. All variants have a twin heavy bolter on the hull, and may take up to 4 sponsons, each with a lascannon and a twin heavy flamer/twin heavy bolter.
    • Note - Whether by intention or by accident, currently the Baneblade and all variants are lacking the Leman Russ Battle Tank "Grinding Advance" special rule, and therefore take a -1 to hit when shooting heavy weapons (read: Pretty much all of them) if they have moved in the previous phase, meaning your Baneblade will be hitting on 5's with all of its weapons if you move it. This generally means if your Baneblade is going to be in close you'll want to go for weapons that autohit - like the twin heavy flamers, above. Read the rulebook people. Steel Behemoth: This model does not suffer the penalty to hit rolls for moving and firing Heavy weapons

Renegades & Heretics only get one version:

    • Baneblade: First of the turreted variants (though with the removal of facing that's not as relevant anymore), the original Baneblade packs the mighty Baneblade Cannon, an autocannon, and a hull Demolisher Cannon. Old but gold.
  • Minotaur Artillery Tank: One of the two variants of the Malcador chassis that retains the Lord of War title...Though you could be forgiven for not noticing, since it's had two Earthshaker cannons mounted on it. Backwards. Simultaneously the coolest thing on treads and an ungodly abortion only Hereteks could love, and boy do they. Has two heavy bolters mounted on it...somewhere. As a side effect of mashing two Basilisks together it gains Steel Behemoth and a 5+ Invulnerable save against shooting attacks (which is copy-pasted from the Gorgon's entry, because the two are such similar machines...Bravo, Forge World!). The durability comes at a cost: for the firepower of two Basilisks it's almost as expensive as three.

Allies[edit]

  • Chaos Space Marines: The obvious choice for both fluff and tabletop reasons, as they can make up for your lack of heavy infantry and specialists with their own, and your vehicles and Troops choices are slightly better then their options. It's a win-win!
  • Chaos Daemons: Good for adding monsters and melee-specialists to your force. your characters can also summon Daemons, so keep that in mind if you play narrative or Open.
    • Note: Both Daemons and CSM bring their sick-ass Daemon engines for you to incorporate into an allied detachment.
  • Renegade Knights: For when you're tired of fucking around and just wanna throw down with an appropriately-stompy ass-kicker. What renegade knights lack in subtlety they compensate with power. They hit and wound way better than anything you can field and are only limited to by availability.

Tactics[edit]

Army Building[edit]

Your troops are lackluster compared to guard, so make sure you have a strategy in mind for what troops choices you will use before you have an army built.

Elites are quite good for you, so taking minimum troops or Vanguard detachments is a good idea if you want to make the most of the available points to spend on them.

Heavy Support Teams are trash, so make sure you have other ways to deal with enemy vehicles built into your list. Sentinels are a good alternative.

On that last note, most of your Anti-Vehicle firepower seems to be range 24 or less if you don't play for the artillery. Chimera-based Elite melta squads with rogue psykers and Malefic Lords can quickly stack up wounds on vehicles, and only cost 237 points to fill one vehicle (10 Marauders, 2 Malefic Lords, Chimera with Multilaser and Heavy Bolter). That total is quite low for a good infantry unit that can deal 4.5d6 damage (Melta, Warp Flux, Krak Grenade) to a vehicle in a turn of shooting, and then still have 9 Autogun/Shotgun/Pistols to attack with, and Carapace armor or Camo-cloaks, as well as the Chimera itself's attacks. Meanwhile two basilisks that deal between 2-12 D3 damage cost about the same, but lack the reliable chance to hit and number of shots. Not to mention the lower AP.

Finally, the sauce of the whole thing is the great boon of 8th edition: FACTION KEYWORDS. You can splice anything with a CHAOS keyword into the relevant FOC slot and build that fluffy, crunchy Lost and the Damned army you've been craving since it was discontinued after the fall of 3rd edition and haphazardly re-attempted with the Siege of Vraks. See below for conversion ideas... The big March FAQ has prevented using CHAOS as a Faction Keyword when adding units to a detachment. This means your Renegade Detachment will need to be completely from Renegades.

Morale Management[edit]

Morale is critical to running a R&H army, and there are now a couple ways to manage it.

1.Enforcers: If you are running mob-style units, taking 1-3 casualties is much better than taking 20 casualties from enemy shooting,

2.Command Squads: If you run 10-15 man blobs, command squads can increase your chances of having a reliable leadership, however they are only a buffer, while an Enforcer is a complete control over morale casualties.

3.Marauders: Why bother with leadership when you can juts take the 1/6 chance of fleeing whenever you take losses? this normally sounds bad, but when your maximum squad size is 12 models, when you take casualties, you tend to take severe casualties anyways, and if the result is a 1 (Which usually only happens 1-2 times a game), you are able to use a command re roll anyways.

4.MSU: Smaller units= more spread fire from the enemy= fewer casualties per unit = Easy morale checks. And if they focus down a few units at a time, you don't need to take morale checks anyways.

Terrain and Positioning[edit]

As Renegades you have to take into consideration the fact that none of your troops choices have better than a 6+ save, and most of your elites don't have better than 5+. Using cover to its full potential is important to making this army work, so you should try to keep your troops concealed so they don't take to many casualties from small arms fire. Remember to ask your opponent what you should use to define what units are in ruins at the start of the game, whether that be the base of the ruin, being within it's walls, or on it's battlements, as well as whether the ruin has to be between the enemy shooting and your models. When it comes to enemy big guns, your security is in being out of LOS(5+ saves in cover won't protect you against anything of decent strength and AP). After that's been worked out, keep a few things in mind:

1. Be willing to charge out of ruins; overwatch occurs before the charge so keep any terrain modifiers to your save in mind.

2. Charge from just under 9 inches away if the enemy has flamers and you don't want to take casualties; Flamers have a range of 8 and are designed to kill hordes with weak armor saves like yours in overwatch, so watch yourself. You still only have to roll an 8 if you charge in this manner, and with coven of Slaanesh units this is hardly a problem.

3. Keep your horde on the other side of a debris, such as a crater, from a unit you that is a melee threat to them, this will give you more time to focus fire on the model, so that you can thin it out before risking a melee that you ultimately don't want. Make sure to keep your unit at least the enemy's movement +12 away, and keep the crater as close to your unit as possible, so that the enemy unit would have to charge through the crater, and incur the -2 penalty.

4. Keep deep striking units in mind, especially if you are taking a lot of heavy support vehicles like basilisks and Leman Russes. Deep striking terminators or assault marines can come from anywhere 9 inches away, so keep your models bubble wrapped or make sure that your tanks have infantry models every 7 inches or so to act as a no deepstrike bubble. DO NOT SURROUND YOUR TANK WITH MODELS WITHIN 4 INCHES OF IT, BECAUSE THE ENEMY CAN CHARGE THAT UNIT INSTEAD, AND THEN CONSOLIDATE INTO MELEE WITH YOUR VEHICLE.

Things to Note[edit]

The Renegades and Heretics section is in desperate need of an FAQ or Revision.

  1. The list was poorly reviewed, with troops being able to replace nonexistent weapons, weapons being take able on models that aren't part of the unit, and models being able to take from the "Pistol" list when there is only a ranged weapon list containing pistols. If you play this army, make sure you don't play it with That Guy, and you have respect for your opponent and follow the RAI.
  2. One particular issue is that the list allows you to take vehicles from Index: Imperium 2, and Imperial Armour:AM, which in a few cases do not exist. It also is unclear if you are allowed to take any vehicle with the keyword, or only those units (given that some units on the list exist, but are under different names, such as the Medusa)
  3. So this is my call-out to Forgeworld: Conduct a thorough revision/review of the LatD list, and check for errors and places where clarity is lacking. Given how cheap the book is, I'm sure consumers would be willing to pay to own a reviewed copy, or if a future more thorough release with more models is in the works. [FAQ is out, cleans up some things (eg CHARACTER keywords, adds Armageddon Medusa) but leaves others unanswered (the weird Medusa entry is still on the list for one, autopistols are still 6" range for Renegades but 12" for everyone else, etc)]
  4. Optimistic View: They had a R&H army out a week after release, which was not the case for Eldar corsairs, the other major FW army. Corsairs were always meant to be an allied force for Craftworld/Dark Eldar, so this is not too surprising, however based on how the R&H army was written, and the fact that some of the content they used to posses (Demagogue Devotions, most notably.) is not in the book, and the growing emphasis on Chaos VS Imperium, I would not be surprised if R&H got their own IA book, or a re-release in the next major Chaos IA Supplement. The growing emphasis on chapter tactics on the Warhammer community would also go hand in hand with this, so i would not be surprised to see a complete R&H list in an upcoming IA:Chaos book, including demagogue devotions and other customization options which are intrinsic to the army.
    1. Alternate Hypothesis: GW might be cooking up a codex release for the Renegades and Heretics, a la the Lost and the Damned. Totally speculative but this could be a possibility given the new narrative emphasis on Chaos.

Conversions[edit]

General Advice

The GS Cultist Neophyte Hybrid Squads (of both types) are generally good starting points. Just remember to remove the cult symbols and replace them with your own. Skulls are good replacements if you have a few spares. Additionally, Beastmen Gors/Ungors, do well with conversions.

Heads:

  • Chaos Bloodreaver heads
  • Chaos Marauder Horseman heads
  • Warriors of Chaos heads
  • Various Imperial heads, Including Tempestus Scions.
  • Chaos Raptor heads (For those Marauders that take Carapace Armor)
  • Beastmen Gors or Ungors

Torsos/Legs:

  • Generic Guardsman torsos/Legs
  • Genestealer Cult Neophyte Hybrids (Non Guardsman) torsos/Legs
  • Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles (again, for Marauders mostly)
  • Beastmen again for mutant rabble
  • WH Fantasy Skeletons, if you want your force to be an army of the dead. They even have similar statlines.

Weapons

  • Genestealer Neophytes have autoguns which work quite well, and shotguns too. They also have 1 autopistol in every box. The Acolytes have better access to autopistols if you want them.
  • Chaos cultists have plenty of autopistols and autoguns, and Brutal melee weapons
  • Guardsmen lasguns work just fine, and a box of guardsman infantry also has two chainswords, and two flamers and grenade launchers.
  • Snipers from the Marine scouts kit work too, just find out what you're going to do with the rest of the kit.

Arms

  • Pretty much any mortal humans. FW sells some weapon/arm packs that work quite well.

General

  • Crypt Ghouls, Zombies and Pox-walkers also work well as Mutant Rabble
  • Tempestus Scions obviously work perfectly for Renegade Marauders with the Heretek docterine.
  • Kasrkin Stormtrooper models are also good for Marauders, as they have a good tacticool soldier look.

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