Warhammer Army Project/Ogre Kingdom
- 1 Ogre Kingdoms: Warhammer Army Project, 9th Edition Tactica
- 2 Notable Changes from 8th Edition
- 3 Why Play Ogre Kingdoms
- 4 Specal Rules
- 5 Lore of the Great Maw
- 6 Equipment
- 7 Unit Analysis
- 8 Regiments of Renown
- 9 Building Your Army
- 10 Tactics
- 11 See Also
- 12 External Links
Ogre Kingdoms: Warhammer Army Project, 9th Edition Tactica
(had copied pased the 8th ed page to save time on framework)
Created by Mathias Eliasson, this project was a homebrew attempt at giving many of the units, nations and factions that never got Armybooks of their own (and those left behind and never got one in 8th Edition) such a thing.
It should also be noted that Eliasson is constantly updating his work, so don't expect this page to stay current forever. If anyone wishes to actually update this page and the items that need it later on, go ahead.
Notable Changes from 8th Edition
- With +1 to Cast being at more of premium than 8e, your lore attribute is even stronger.
- Regen can be stacked with ward saves and a single flaming wound doesnt disable regen for the whole unit for the whole phase. Trollguts is an even stronger spell.
- Special characters are MUCH cheaper.
- With unit strength returning it is much easier for you to be Steadfast. A unit of 6 bulls can often times kill enough models in a 25 man unit of infantry to get the unit strength advantage.
- Armywide Swiftstride, all ogres have it.
- Parries on AHW.
- Removal of Hordes gives you the attack advantage most of the time.
- Heavy cavalry are more prevalent so your high strength attacks are not overkill as often.
- With changes to charge rules you should be able to get the charge against infantry units every time.
- Cannons are much less precise, and most only do D3 wounds on the bounce.
- Other books challenge characters have gotten much stronger while your Tyrants and Bruisers are the same or worse than 8th. Dont misunderstand, you're not gonna be getting dogged by a Wargor or Warlord, but dont be surprised when you fail to kill a Bretonnian Lord in one turn.
- A unit cannot be longer than it is wide, so you cant have a 3 wide bus 4 or 5 deep anymore.
- Characters AND Command Group must be in the front rank. So, if you want characters to join units you cant take full command. Alternatively, you could widen the unit.
- Monstrous infantry and cavalry lost stomp but your units are no cheaper.
- Game wide increase in BS based missile potency means your bulls/guts are at greater risk from mass S3/S4 shooting.
- All cavalry gained impact hits, which does nothing for you since Mournfang already had it.
- Spears strike with +1 S & I when charged by monstrous infantry. Not even gnoblars benefit from this.
- Your Slaughter Master no longer as full access to magic armour and can only take magic shields.
- Hellheart nerfed to only be 12".
- Leadbelchers demoted to move-or-fire.
- Gnoblar Trappers no longer an upgrade, but moved to a special choice that cost SIX POINTS PER MODEL.
- More expensive Thundertusk and Stonehorn.
Why Play Ogre Kingdoms
'CUS YOU LIKE TO CRUSH SKULLS 'AN BASH HEADS!
..."awkward cough" Ahem. If you want to invest in an army that is fairly straightforward, has unique rules sets as well as fun to construct and paint models, then these lads are definitely going to give you a good time. They recently got an update that moved their crunch from 'fairly shitty' all the way up to a fun and competitive army. Okay, so they're not the most tactically diverse army out there, but they work really well and are a ball to play. They also like to eat everything and are very durable in combat, thus they won't go down easily without a fight.
So, if you want a simple army that hits like a brick, consist of hugely built, flabby gorging mounds of muscle, fat and saggy moobs, which can ultimately win a combat via high Strength Impact Hits before a single punch is thrown, as well as take a brutal punching before they go down, then Ogre Kingdoms is for you!
Nearly every unit in your army has Impact Hits, do NOT forget Impact Hits. It can be the deciding factor that lets you win combat, ESPECIALLY against ASF and High WS/I enemies. In addition, almost all of them have the Ogre Charge rule, which increases the Strength of the impact hit by the number of ranks the unit has. Also, all unmounted Ogre models are Monstrous Infantry, meaning their supporting ranks get 3 attacks extra.
The ogres also cause fear(this grants you immunity to fear and makes you only fear any unit with terror. And while it's a good idea to be cautious in any combat scenario, remember, Ogre's are humanoid tanks. They can take damage as well as they can deal it, so don't be too concerned if you lose a few unless you got say....4 Bulls left on the field. They are extremely durable, so no need to shy away from serious combat unless you've got no chance to win the fight.
And remember, their major weak points are mainly getting swarmed with smaller units, as well as ranged siege battles (a dwarf gunline will give you a rough time for example), and wizards can hamper your units quite a bit. Ogres play in the same way like Beastmen, better in close combat than ranged combat. Leadbelchers are your primary exception, as well as your Ironblaster cannon, Thus use them wisely and carefully.
- Ogre Charge: Universal to your Ogres. They all have Impact Hits (1) on the charge and add their Rank Bonus to the Strength of this hit.
- Bellowers: Musicians by another name.
Lore of the Great Maw
Lore Attribute: Bloodgruel: After casting a spell, roll a d6 for the caster. On a 1, they take an S6 hit, otherwise they regain a wound and add +1 to their next dispel or casting roll. With how combat-oriented your butchers are (as well as actual rules for the butchers), you'll be needing at least one Great Maw Wizard around the frontlines.
- Signature: Spinemarrow: Since its much easier for a monstrous infantry to be steadfast than in 8e this spell is slightly less mandatory, and has been slightly nerfed. You now need an 8+ (from 6+ in 8e) to cast this while the augment (which doubles the range) not a big deal to cast on a 9+.
- Bonecrusher: 2d6 S2 hits that ignore armour as a magic missile. Use this for all your horde management, especially when facing Gobbos or Elves.
- Bullgorger: +1 Strength for one unit or all units within 12" if you augment. While S5 Bulls are indeed scary, there's also...
- Toothcracker: +1 Toughness, which lets you laugh at all but the worst your enemy offers. Halberds? Guns? Get that pussy shit outta here!
- Braingobbler: One enemy unit must test for panic. The usefulness of this varies upon how the Leadership scores run across the enemy forces and how they deal with Psychology.
- Trollguts: Back to augments, gives one friendly unit within 12" Regeneration 4+ on a 12+. Can be boosted to all friendly within 12" on a 20+. Unlike the others, this one will be hard for a level 2 to cast with less than 3 dice (and even 3 dice can be risky) so if you roll it on them, might as well drop it. Level 4's will get good mileage out of it though, and it's a good spell (since Ward Saves are very rare in Ogre Kingdoms armies).
- THE MAW: A big direct damage spell (NOT a vortex) that's quite fun. Drop the small blast somewhere within 18" and Scatter it. If misfire is rolled, enemy gets to place and scatter it. Once it lands, everyone under it takes an Initiative test. Pass and you only take a S3 hit. Fail and you take a S7 hit with the Multiple Wounds (D6) rule. This casts on a 15+ and can be pushed up to a large blast on a 21+, which is quite risky since you need 4 dice for a Level 4 to reliably get off (and 6 for it to reliably get the big version off) and a misfire can cost you dearly with your Ogres' poor Initiative. This spell's not usually worth it; to start with, it relies on hoping you get it but don't get a miscast that fucks you, hoping that your enemy didn't bring a scroll for this moment (or dispel it in another way), hoping that you don't misfire or scatter off the unit you wanted to hit and hoping at the end that the enemy fails the test (and gets hurt enough to make a difference). On top of all the chances that it might fail (or do nothing), even if it succeeds it's probably not going to justify it's massive cost. This one spell is likely going to drain most to nearly all of your magic dice and waste most of your phase when there are so many buffs you could've been using instead.
- Ironfists: An off-hand weapon that can act as a shield as well, even when mounted. Unlike most weapons, you can choose between weapon and shield each turn.
- Chaintrap: A short-ranged shooting attack, but it's plenty strong with S6 and Killing Blow.
- Harpoon Launcher: Your longest-ranged weapons. Each is 36" S5 with Multiple Wounds (d3) but is Move or Fire.
- Ogre Pistols: Your pistols are 24", meaning you get to one-hand handguns. with the change to Quick to fire, they also provide extra damage on charges.
- Luck-Gnoblar: Gives your Ogre a single re-roll for a failed save.
- Sword-Gnoblar: You add an additional S2 attack to your melee routine. It's hardly going to change a thing.
- Tooth-Gnoblar: Butchers only. Your Butcher can sacrifice one of these gnoblars to get a +1 casting bonus on a Great Maw spell.
- Look-out Gnoblar: Lets your champion/HQ benefit from Look Out Sir while there are at least three rank & file models in the unit.
- Name-Gnoblar: Gain another Big Name worth up to 15 points.
- Scalp-Gnoblar: Butchers only. Your Butcher can re-roll a single die when casting a Great Maw spell, which is generally a better move than a mere +1.
As before, your Tyrants, Bruisers, and Hunters can all purchase names that grant additional rules for them as signs of their greatness.
- Mawseeker: Add +1 to Toughness, but suffer Stupidity. Useful? Well, you could take Armour of Silvered Steel for the same cost.
- Deathcheater: Gives a 3++ Ward when down to the last wound. Pretty shit since it doesn't stop Killing Blow or attacks dealing multiple wounds.
- Mountaineater: Your big guy can't be wounded on anything better than a 3+, which would be nice except that it means nothing to anything automatically wounding him.
- Kineater: Tyrants only. Anyone within 12" of the Kineater re-rolls panic checks, which can bolster a charge or gunline.
- Giantbreaker: Adds +1 to Strength and makes the model unable to refuse challenges or flee from a charge. Stack it with an Ogre Blade or Great Weapon to see all sorts of fun spring up.
- Beastkiller: Hunters only. He gainst a +1 to wound all war beasts, monsters, and monstrous cavalry. What sucks is that this doesn't stack with any magic weapon, meaning your only means of hitting harder lie with a great weapon.
- Daemonkiller: Tyrants only. Gives Terror in the event that you need it.
- Wallcrusher: Adds a bonus impact hit upon using Ogre Charge and goes through any fortification. While it's now only 10 points, it's still pretty situational.
- Longstrider: Swiftstrider gives a lone unit some additional means of getting business done. Shame your good units aren't that fast.
- Brawlerguts: Re-rolls to wound with Impact Hits and Stomps. Still pretty situational, though cheaper.
Tools of Destruction
- Thundermace: A mace that can turn all the user's normal attacks into stone-thrower template. Very expensive and too limited to be anything resembling worthwhile, even with the drastic price cut to 50pts and loss of ASL for being a Greatweapon.
- Siegebreaker: Trash. 30 points for a great weapon (the thing used to give +3 S) that strikes against Initiative. You're going to be hitting on 3+ and 4+ already and if you really wanted a Strength boost, then get Giantbreaker and the Sword of Striking. It'll do the same thing, won't fuck you over if you're suddenly up against a high Initiative enemy, and is 45 points cheaper. It also has a special ability that allows it to hit units in buildings harder, but that's a really specific use that can still be accomplished through other methods. Fucking skip.
- Mastodon Armour: The other, more desirable version of Deathcheater in the form of heavy plate. If you ever die outside of combat, this'll let the guy have a chance to regain a wound and keep on truckin.
- Gut Maw: Got that 10 point cut, meaning it can be combined with a decent enough magic weapon so you can successfully grab those wounds more reliably when Challenging.
- Greedy Fist: The ward save ability will activate so infrequently that it's nearly pointless. And while the secondary ability is fun, 90% of Wizards who are getting punched by an Ogre hero/lord are going to die so quickly that it doesn't matter that they're losing Wizard levels. The only wizards it can be decent against are the big guys (Archaon, GUO, etc.) and even then you have a very good chance of the wielder being murderized.
TrollThiefstone: Really funny under the right circumstances. There are theoretically better items, but this one is good enough for its points and can be really worth it for that time the enemy loses his Ruby Ring of Ruin.
- Grut's Sickle: For 50 points it works surprisingly well on a level 4 Maw caster, with very little effort you can have a +7 to cast on your second spell. Besides, the wizard only dies on a roll of double 1's.
- Hellheart: FUCK. YES. Do not leave home without it. This is the best goddamn item in the entire Ogre Kingdoms list and one of the best ways to defend against enemy wizards. Sure you could occasionally roll that 1, but the rest of the time...holy shit.
- Rune Maw: Just shy of being worth it for general use. Maybe if you could auto-force it onto Gnoblars or something, or if it worked against regular shooting. It can still be worth it if you want to run a deathstar. Sure, it can't help you with Purple Sun but it can really save you against spells like Dwellers or Final Transmutation which can easily kill 1/3 of your unit or by ensuring that you avoid debuffs in a crucial combat.
- Dragonhide Banner: This one can be really fun. A breath weapon attack can turn combat all on it's own, and the forced ASL and rerolling 1's is just the icing on the cake. Should be taken on a High Initiative (for the army) guy to maximize its effectiveness, such as a Bruiser. Works wonders with Mournfangs too, lets them re-roll missed armour saves, missed stomps and impact hits and the Mournfang attacks themselves all of which (if you pointed them at the correct target) should be 2's or 3's anyways.
Lords & Heroes
Note: Under the current edition, named characters tend to be overpriced; you can pretty easily emulate most named characters from scratch and save yourself some points. That said, a few named characters do have abilities and wargear or wargear combos unique to them, so if you absolutely need to have them, go ahead. Just make sure you're really getting your points worth.
- Greasus Goldtooth: Ehhhh, 395 points (little under twice the cost of a naked Tyrant) for same stats with 1 extra toughness and wound. Oh and he only has 3 Attacks, I1 and M4, which makes him utterly useless against anything other than multi-wound models, he slows down whatever he joins, and is likely to get hurt or even killed before he can strike back (S10 or no S10). He has a couple nifty abilities, but they're not game-changing (even though armies like Vampire Counts and Daemons are now affected Everybody Has Their Price, which is lulzy from a fluff perspective) since they either don't do enough to warrant the point sink, or aren't suited for his role (for example the rest of your army will just outrun his combat res bubble, and you need to bring Ironguts, whom now get magic banners). Bring a Tyrant, or replace him with a Stonehorn and Thundertusk.
- Do note that if you still intend to use him anyway, cast Toothcracker on him the second it looks like he's going to enter combat and he'll surprise you, so long as you don't pit him against models that auto-wound or have the multiple wounds rule (unless they wound him on 5's/6's already and/or lack a Ward save). With Toothcracker he can take on Archaon in a dual and come out on top (even if Archaon rides his horsey, which makes him cost a lot more than Goldtooth). Even without Toothcracker his sheer Toughness and Wounds counts allow him to take on some heavy beatsticks, for example (on average) he 'can and will kill all Vampire Lords, all generic Chaos Lords (and nearly all of the named ones), and even Grimgor. Of course he still costs a shitload more than all of those, but that's just the price you pay for seeing the look on your opponent's face when this fat bastard flattens some of the most infamous close combat monsters in the game, presumably after making them stupid.
- If you're lucky enough to get it, use Savage Beast of Horros on him along with Toothcracker. If you can manage this then he's easily one of the best close combat Lords in the game, able to take on and beat even Archaon. It's not something you should be counting on but if you got it, why not use it.
- Skrag the Slaughterer: Not...terrible, but specific and limited. He costs 170 points more than a level 4 Slaughtermaster, has an extra hand weapon, frenzy and killing blow for those points, in addition to extra WS, S, and T. In order to really get mileage out of his abilities however, you need to take Gorgers (and why would you want to do that?) or immediately get him in combat. His statline is brutal, but so are his points and you're going to want him to kill a lot to make up the difference when you could've just gone with the cheaper Lvl 4 Slaughtermaster.
- Ghark Ironskin: Tyrant of the Ironskins Tribe and fully-armored mofo on top of an equally-armored Rhinox. On top of all this armor, he's got a 6++ Ward, his Rhinox has an armour-ignoring S2 breath weapon for horde-killing, and he makes Leadbelchers core and Rhinox Riders special choices.
- Groth Onefinger: First of the Butchers and discoverer of the Great Maw. He's a costly level 4 loremaster of the Great Maw with quite a lot going. He re-rolls a die each magic phase, he heals for each unsaved wound he inflicts, and he lets one pack of Bulls or Ironguts cause Terror. He's a deadlier Slaughtermaster who needs to be at the front in order to be best used.
- Morg Magmaborn: First of the Firebellies. He acts as a Firebelly Lord and thus has, on top of all the fire powers and wizardry, the power to burn anyone who hits him and a bound item that lends him Armour Piercing.
- Golgfag Maneater: Again, a tiny bit expensive, but can be fun. Has slightly better stats than a Bruiser (BS, I and A) for a higher points cost. Easy Come, Easy Go can grab you some nice items but can also go really wrong. His 6+ armor without magic armor is rather pathetic, and Stubborn robs you of a choice for Maneaters if you want to grab some (Golgfag's Maneaters are not mandatory, you can take normal maneaters with whatever rules you want). Take him for fun, but leave him out of competitive lists.
- Bragg the Gutsman: No, just no. 30 points over a vanilla Bruiser for ONE higher Strength. Light Armor, T5 and I3 means he's pretty easy to kill before he gets to strike. Oh by the way, that Heroic Killing Blow ONLY works in a challenge, so forget using him to hunt monsters. Bring a bruiser, you'll get more mileage.
- Baraugh Slavelord: Returned from prior editions, accompanied by a pack of at least 12 slaves, though by default he's obscenely expensive. These slaves are pretty much meant to die, protected only by a Regen save. His gear, meanwhile, carries him through challenges with Swiftstride while his twin weapons rob d3 attacks from a model in b2b.
- Jhared the Red: Elite Hunter that's 50 points over the stock's cost. He's a swiftstriding beast who lets a pack of Sabertusks go vanguard (if you ever bother attaching him to them). He also has a few intriguing tools and takes the WS penalty aura from the Yhetees, which might make him worthwhile as a monster killer.
Note: While named characters are judged against their generic counterparts, generic characters are examined based on their role in your army.
- Tyrant: Your combat lord. A little overpriced, but can be good if kitted out right. He can be a hard to crack combat lord when given the right equipment, and his 5 S5 attacks can be just the boost you need to win combat. Unfortunately he's competing for Lord Points with Slaughtermaster, which has MUCH more bang for your buck, especially since you no longer need to take a Tyrant to take Slaughtermaster. Can be useful in larger points games, but a fully kitted out lord costs over 300 points, so be careful not to waste him by throwing him into fights he can't win (no matter what the fluff tells you, a Tyrant cannot deal with a Bloodthirster alone).
- Slaughtermaster: Oh big daddy YES. Your lord level wizard, and he's quite capable of defending himself if the enemy reaches him (he's not as tough as a tyrant, but he's got a better stat line than a number of dedicated fighting lords). The Lore of the Great Maw is a fantastic lore, especially for a tightly packed line and the Lore Attribute means that these guys can sit there and heal themselves over and over (while getting a 5+ total boost). A single one of these can be all you need to turn the game, especially in a 2K game. Also never put the Hellheart on this guy, its a defensive magic item so put it on a Butcher. Keep in mind it's technically allowed for you to take Magic Armour, due to the fact that they can take Ironfists. This is confirmed in the FAQ, but discouraged (do it anyway). Give him Grut's Sickle and the Armour of Destiny, or Fencer's Blades and the Glittering Scales (to make him only be hit on a 6+ by most troops). Kitted up right this guy can take the same beating that would destroy a small unit and walk away barely scathed, even before we consider he can cast Regeneration on himself, turning him into an absolute rape train with no brakes. Only thing to watch out for is anyone that strike first with a shitload of Strength 5+ attacks.
- Butcher's Cauldron: Any Slaughtermaster taking Great Maw can grab a cauldron as an add-on. This gives Stubborn, +1 to cast Great Maw spells, and a 5++ Ward. The bound spell is a bit risky, as it lets a unit re-roll to hit in cc, but if that unit loses combat, they all test T or take a save-ignoring wound.
- Bruiser: The workaday combat hero of the Ogre Kingdoms army. Has a statline more in line with most Lord Choices and only costs 105 points Vanilla. Useful as a beat stick in big units, and a BSB certainly helps in a pinch. Cheap and effective, what more can you ask for?
- Hunter: 25 points more than a Bruiser, for 1 higher BS and Ld (but he can't be the general) and has some nifty choices, but he can never join non-Sabertusk or Cragbeast units. Can also take a Stonehorn as a mount which, along with a Harpoon Launcher, is probably the best choice for him as it lets you deal with enemies on the move. Not the greatest choice in general, but can be fun and useful under the right circumstances. Also remember that even though he can't use Hold Your Ground when he joins a unit of Sabretusks, he can use it when he's on his own or on a Stonehorn.
- Butcher: Not quite as useful as a Slaughtermaster, but costs less than half the points, so there you are. Can be useful to make sure you get all the Spells in the Lore of the Great Maw, or alternatively can be used as a pretty brutal damage based caster with Lore of Death, or a specialty augmenter with Lore of Beasts. He can also take Lore of Heavens for its awesome signature spell or you can try for the comet. Can take the Hellheart or Dispel Scroll, if you want to save your Slaughtermaster's Arcane Item for something else. You will always want to do this.
- Firebelly: An interesting hero to say the least. These guys are hero level wizards (their base statline are the same as a butcher's) that specialize in the Lore of Fire and killing stuff with fire in other ways. Pretty much a must-have for any Ogre Kingdom armies! The ubiquity of Regeneration means that a lad with Flaming Attacks is always welcome, and the Lore of Fire is pretty decent. The fact that he has a S4 Breath Weapon (Breath Weapons, for context, can turn entire combat on their own) means that he makes a good mainline unit supporter and he's invaluable if you find yourself facing Hordes or Ethereal units.
- Yhetee Rimespeaker: A Yhetee Greyback with a bonus wound and your equivalent of a warrior priest. On top of their spells (A Regen-negating Magic Missile, a small zone of difficult terrain, or a zone of shooting penalties), they also have a magical S3 breath weapon that similarly shuts down regen. Sadly, taking him means that you'll need to grab yhetees in order to keep him alive.
- Mournfang: Tyrant/Bruiser Only. Most armies have their base steed be some sort of horse. Yours is a scary ass monster. While it's the fastest of your mounts, it's also the most fragile of the lot.
- Rhinox: Tyrant/Bruiser Only. You lose out 2" of movement from the Mournfang for 1 point Toughness and Frenzy.
- Rhinox War Chariot: Tyrant only. A non-frenzy Rhinox with more impact hits.
- Stonehorn: Hunter Only. The first of two heavy beasts, this one's the dedicated ride for any melee-centric Hunters, as this thing has the extra oomph to get there and the extra durability against multi-wound attacks.
- Thundertusk: Hunter Only. Less tanky than the Stonehorn, but you get all the debuffs as well as a better platform for blasting.
- Ogre Bulls: The core of any Ogre Kingdoms army, and well worth the points spent on them. In smaller points games, take a unit of 5 and stick a hero/lord (usually a Butcher/Slaughtermaster) in them to make the most out of them (and to make sure you get an extra rank). A great choice no matter what. if someone says "Bull" they're talking about these fuckers.
- Ironguts: 11 points more than an Ogre for 1 higher LD, 1 higher Armor (which the Ogres can achieve with Ironfists, and get a parry save in the deal too), Great Weapons and the option to take a Magic Standard. Units of 6 are great at charging small to mid-sized infantry units (especially if they're Medium armored) and make most large monsters piss themselves, it's not unheard of for units of 6 to 1-round Terrorgheists if they pass their fear tests. Not as good as Bulls, but still a solid choice and the Magic Standard can do amazing things (Try the Dragonhide Banner). They can also work as a backup unit, as any unit that flees within 6" of them lets the Ironguts re-roll 1s to hit and wound for the next round of close combat.
- Gnoblar Fighters: The odd man out in an Ogre Kingdoms army, as you can take a full 10 man unit for less than the cost of a single Ogre. As it stands, they're a good enough mob/counter-charge unit and if you can hit the enemy on the flank with them, they do a good job of disrupting. Regrettably, these boys took a hit with their own brand of animosity - roll a d6 if they aren't stuck in or fleeing. If you roll a 1, they don't do anything.
- Do note that most players will be taking steps to counter your ogre placement since you'll usually have few units compared to them. If you concede the +1 bonus to the roll for the first turn you can take small units of Gnoblars to force your opponent to deploy their units first, from here you can put down your Ogres to make sure they aren't getting screwed before the game even started.
- Leadbelchers: Same stats as a Bull (except with +1BS), 2pts more as an Irongut for a 24" D6 shots per model, S4, armor-piercing 1 ranged weapon, with no penalties for Multiple Shots. Ho. Ly. Shit. These guys are several different forms of brutal and a unit of 6 can easily hold down a flank all on it's own. Alternatively, throw them into the center of the lines and have them soften up a unit and/or monster you need dead. No Ogre Kingdoms army is complete without a unit of these lads. Sadly, this edition forces them to be a static gunline with the addition of Move or Fire (whoever thinks its sad that an obese retard can no longer run, load a rusted cannon and hip fire it all at the same time. While a Dawi with a mastercrafted weapon and a few centuries of experience at the range couldn't fucking turn around and shoot his gun at the same time is clearly biased).
- Maneaters: There are several different makeups for this unit, but on a whole, they're a rock-solid and fairly inexpensive unit (down to 45 points from 50 last edition without a single drop in stats). Several common ideas for special rules are presented below, but most combos can work on one level or another. Just don't forget to give them heavy armor and remember if you're stuck, Stubborn is always a good choice.
- Classic: Immune to Psychology and Stubborn. Stubborn is always a good choice, but the weakness of Terror and Fear under the current edition makes ItP pretty much worthless.
- Runners: Swiftstride and Strider. It can be fun, especially with great weapons, allowing them to intercept a unit you need dead. Drop them on the flank and have them go diving through terrain to hit the enemy where it hurts.
- Snipers: Sniper and Poisoned Attacks, with Brace of Handguns. This one is especially nasty against Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings were killing their general can really hurt. Change to poison also makes them do well against wounding monsters.
- Trolling: Scouts and either Strider, Swiftstride, or Stubborn. Not a great choice, but really lulzy (SCOUTING OGRES), especially against Dwarfs and armies that thrive on units with lots of ranged weapons and war machines.
- Bland: Stubborn and either Strider or Swiftstride. The best overall and therefore blandest choice but not a bad one. Swiftstride has some nice synergy with the Ogre Charge rule.
- Sabertusk Pack: These little kitties are absolutely fantastic. They have 2 wounds, 3 attacks, and M8 at 18 points a pop with upgrades for Scout, Ambush, and Killing blow. Their pathetic LD4 means that if they even have to take the tiniest LD test, they're running for the hills, and the only way to boost it is to send a Hunter with them (which you should never do). On the other hand, they can be taken in units of 2, (which is how they should always be taken to prevent normal panic checks). Three units of 2 can perform a myriad of tasks such as: wizard/character assassination (as long as they are lower toughness and lightly armored) war machine hunting, charging fleeing units, redirecting/flee baiting, hatred/frenzied unit baiting (having to overrun can be a bitch), general annoyance(causing march tests) etc. etc. Use them ruthlessly.
- Cragbeast: They're a point slower than Sabretusks, but they're a point stronger and tougher. Each of these things pack a punch as hard as a Bruiser.
- Yhetees: What a disappointment. They cost 1 point more than an Irongut or Leadbelcher and make up for it by being much worse. No impact hits, no save, T4 and flammable means that these guys go down faster than almost any other unit in the Ogre Kingdoms army. They have slightly higher Initiative than most units, but it doesn't mean a lot. They used to have enemy units be -1 to hit them, but now they're -1 WS, which on a WS3 unit is not the same thing at all. They're only really useful against Vampire Counts, when you know you're going to be facing a lot of Spirit Enemies, but other than that they're not particularly useful (and even a Firebelly could probably do that just as well while covering other bases as well). Do note that if an enemy unit fails their fear check the -1WS (which is not limited to the usual minimum of 1 rule) means they cannot attack the Yhetees and the Yhetees hit automatically. Be sure to remember that when playing against Vampire Counts, since zombies have WS 1 standard, though they should be used to threaten flanks and hunt low Ld units (if you don't pass on them, which in a competitive list you should). If you are taking them, at least try to give them Regeneration, at least then they'll be able to cause quite a bit of damage and maybe earn their points back.
- Mournfang Cavalry: These are what Chaos Knights have nightmares about. With 3 S4 and 3 S5 attacks each, plus d3 S5 impact hits, these guys can devastate entire units on their own. Give them Heavy Armor and Ironfists and watch everything your opponent has and more just bounce off them. Give them great weapons and see them DESTROY pretty much everything. Definitely worth an investment, just keep them away from Cannons and everything else that ignores armour (and make sure to guard your flanks!).
- Gorgers: Not even remotely worth it. 90 points for a single model that doesn't even show up until turn 2 (at the earliest) and can't charge until everyone's had a turn to react to it being there (and the surprise is kind of their point). If it came with the rest of the army then maybe it could hold up a unit for a couple turns (unbreakable is nice) but as is? No, anything else would be a better points investment.
- Gnoblar Scraplauncher: A solid choice when taken on it's own merits. If you are going to use it you might as well fire it into infantry blocks while maneuvering it for a flank charge against something that can possibly hurt it but isn't likely to kill it (ie cavalry, small units of S3 or other such units). Can also do in a pinch to run over skirmishers that have gotten too close since D6 S5 Attacks followed by 3 S5 Attacks are likely to end them.
- Gnoblar Skewerslinger: The Gnoblar's attempt at an Elven Bolt Thrower. Yeah, they managed to make a bolt thrower that can either fire one hard blast or d3 less hard ones, the choice making you pick between either Multiple Shots (d3) or Multiple Wounds (d3). It's actually quite mobile, but it is prone to misfiring.
- Gnoblar Trappers:Now set up as their own scouting unit at over double the cost of the basic Gnoblar. Their gimmick is that anyone charging their front is going through difficult terrain, which makes them hell for beasts or hordes.
- Rhinox War Chariot: Finally, Ogres have chariot and these fuckers are scary. Each one deals d6+2 S5 Impact Hits on top of the Rhinox and Ogre's attacks, and with a 4+ save, they're pretty able to take a beating. If there's any drawback, it's that this is a lone unit, and thus can be targeted very easily, especially if you put your Tyrant on one. This thing's also no different in terms of weaknesses compared to a basic Ogre.
- Ironblaster: It's a MOVING CANNON. A. Moving. Cannon. It's not even that expensive for the book and it usually gets a fairly large bounce (due to rolling 2 artillery die for the bounce and choosing the largest). Sure, some of the misfires hurt, but not as much as say the Hellcannon and it does absurd damage to whatever it looks at. It can even get into combat if pressed, highly recommended.
- SlaveGiant: It's a Giant. What can we say? You know it and love it. LD10 monsters are always nice, especially with Immunity (Psychology). It's also worth pointing out that ALL of it's 'Pick Up And...' results end in death for the picked up model. Giants are THE monsterkiller, with relative ease they can fell a star dragon. That being said, they're sadly not worth it in general lists as with no armor and with an abundance of S5 around in 8th they can drop dead fast. Feel free to take them however if you know what you're up against and are sure you can get them in combat with a similarly-priced monster/single model unit.
- Stonehorn: The first of the 2 big scary monsters. Effectively a guided missile, This one hurts a lot on the charge but it's I2 and only one rider kinda hurts it after that. It's still big and scary so send it into the right spot and it could definitely wreck someone's day. Very good as a mount for a Hunter, even if everyone really wishes they could sit a tyrant there. One other thing to note is its Stone Skeleton special rule, which renders multiple wound weapons, namely cannons, half as effective (don't think it makes you immune to them though, those Dwarfs will have plenty to kill this).
- Thundertusk: The second big scary monster. This one only has 4 attacks, but it does get a second rider (for an extra 3 S4 attacks or a shot because you have no penalties for moving and shooting), and has a S3(6) stone thrower attached that won't harm you on a misfire. Oh and all enemy MODELS within 6 inches have Always Strikes Last, did we forget to mention that? Yeah, suddenly initiative 2 doesn't matter so much. Hold back for the first round or so to soften up a unit you want dead and then send it in with the rest of your army and watch as it and everything around smash through the entire enemy line because they get their skulls stomped in before they're even allowed to attack. One of the best units in the current list.
- Ice Mammoth: Yet another gigantic monster. This behemoth fits whatever you need from a giant and then some. On top of its d6+1 S7 Impact Hits, it also has a hefty 4+ natural armour save and has an ogre who can shoot their chaintrap or harpoon with no penalty for moving to cooperate with the random list of deadly attacks.
- Grimhorn Rhinox Riders: You're already dead if these things charge you. Upgraded Mournfangs where the Ogres now ride fucking woolly rhinos, with an increased cost and a buff to all their stats. with an extra point to their WS, an extra attack from the Ogre, the riders are S5, a base 5+ Natural Armour, and are now Ld8. Up to you whether or not you find these things be valuable killing machines or just excessively powerful overpriced models (ignoring that being from Forge World automatically makes them overpriced in real money). Anything these things charge (short of something with Ethereal) is going to die (plus the models are fucking amazing).
Regiments of Renown
Building Your Army
Buying Your Army
If you buy only GW models, point to dollar Ogre Kingdoms are, thanks to their small unit size, the cheapest army to build. The Battalion box is extremely well rounded and you'll use everything in it. A good thing to do is buy two of those boxes and two boxes of Mournfang Cavalry. This gives you 12 Bulls, 12 Ironguts (to be used as bulls), 8 Leadbelchers, and 4 Mournfang Cavalry. With the extra bits from the Mournfang boxes, you actually have enough bits to kitbash yourself a BSB as well replacing one Bull or Irongut giving you a well-rounded, legal, fieldable army for less than $300. The only other thing you really need to get at that point is a Wizard.
Bulls, Butchers/Slaughtermasters, Leadbelchers, and Ironblasters are the must-haves, build your army around them. Scraplauncher, Thundertusks, Stonehorns, Giants, Bruisers, Firebellies, Mournfang Cavalry, and Ironguts aren't quite as all-around good, but all of them are really good choices. Hunters, Sabertusks, and Tyrants are if you have the points and are feeling saucy. Yhetees and Gorgers are if you don't mind spending lots of points on shit that won't matter much (unless you're playing Vampire Counts and they take those Ethereal cavalries). Gnoblars are for causing Dangerous Terrain tests and MSU spam to getting your enemy to fully deploy so you don't get put in a disadvantageous position before the game starts.
'Ogre magic consists primarily of Butchers and Slaughtermasters. They have access to the Lore of the Great Maw, Death, Beasts, and Heavens, but one of them must take Great Maw. As with all 8th edition lores, do not forget your lore attribute, as a few casts of low-level spells can really help you get the bigger one off later in the phase. Also remember the lore attribute for Great Maw is not optional, even if you have no dice left and full wounds, you still need to roll to see if you take the hit.
For BRB Lores: Death is used less often now that Deathfisting has been nerfed if you want it put it on a Slaughtermaster since a Butcher can't reliably use the signature. Beasts work well on both either as a general-purpose augmenting Butcher or a Slaughtermaster who can more reliably exploit the other great spells in the Lore. Savage Beast of Horos takes Slaughtermasters from good fighters to near greater daemon levels. Heavens is like Beasts, a fantastic signature spell which is easy for Lvl 2 wizards to cast and has a nice variety of spells afterward that a Slaughtermaster can also use (though he'd normally be better with the Lore of the Great Maw). Harmonic Convergence works fantastically with Ironguts and any other unit hitting and wounding on 2's and 3's. Another option is the Firebelly, which has access to Lore of Fire (duh). Lore of Fire offers decent offensive spells and the Firebelly himself is a useful hero, with some solid combat abilities. If you already have a Slaughtermaster for the Lore of the Great Maw (take it on him if you can, he can make more use out of it than a Butcher) and just want a straight blast-em caster, Firebelly is the way to go, especially if you have some pesky Ethereal models to deal with.
Heads up Slaughtermasters or Butchers who are using the Lore of the Great Maw can happily use the Forbidden Rod to gain D6 additional Power dice while suffering D3 wounds. Usually, quite a bad item since many Wizards are 2 wound or 3 wound models and some people only give their Wizards basic protection (if any), so in many circumstances, it can kill their Wizard outright or leave him on the verge of death... however not for Ogres! They have 4/5 wounds so D3 wounds aren't that bad PLUS with Great Maw they can restore wounds. It's an item worth considering.
Overall Lore of the Great Maw is all-round fantastic and should be used on a Level 4 Slaughtermaster! Great Maw allows you to buff your guys to the high heavens, replenish lost wounds on your Slaughtermaster (opening him up to making him a vicious challenger) and just overall beat your opponents into submission. The other Lores are quite good (Beasts, I'm looking at you) but Lore of the Great Maw is a very underrated Lore. Not as powerful as other unique Lores, but for Ogres, it does the job...REALLY well.
While Ogres have some really awesome offensive stuff available to them, it's just as important to remember the opponents magic phase. Since you don't have cheap, cheerful casters or any backline to bunker them in you won't typically have scrolls (or other minor items) to give you a leg up. Combined with this, a general lack of good armor, wards or magic resistance can be bad news for your fantastic dudes. It's really important that you understand which spells are a major threat to you and focus on dispelling them even if it means eating some damage along the way. Of particular note is Purple Sun of Xereus which is horrendously damaging to Ogres and needs to respected (it'll kill an entire Gutstar in one cast if you don't take care of it). You can certainly play around it, but this is not just any damage spell. Things like this (hyper killy but situationally tricky to use spells) are the perfect reason to take chaff units to ensure your opponent has to deploy his magebunker before you throw down your main combat units. Simply deploying well can make Purple Sun substantially less bothersome because of it's random movement and limited range. Fortunately, your Ogres are fucking amazing so even if you do have to let a few other spells go, you are generally less vulnerable than other armies due to high toughness (and strength for Dwellers) and your guys are badass enough to win even against buffed infantry.
Mostly big charges to make use of all those impact hits and brawling with infantry, very little can go toe to toe with Ogres but be aware of the ones that can. The biggest flaw in the Ogre Kingdoms army is a small number of models on the field (most of the time), this makes them more vulnerable to cannons, bolt throwers and anything else that causes D3/D6 wounds per hit. Keep your models reasonably spread out to reduce the chance of flank charges and give you space to maneuver. You will need to dictate combat or your smaller units will be swarmed to death by most other armies.
For lower point games (1000, 1250, or even 1500) you need to spend most of your points on your main unit (bulls or Ironguts), and your characters. Then have some smaller units of (sabertusks for example) to hold your flanks because if your flanks are good then you can charge whatever is in front and you will most likely win (bring the dragonhide banner to ensure that).
"Gutstar:" unit of 9 Ironguts with 3 of them in the front and with big 4lv Slaughtermaster with Lore of The Great Maw and Crown of Command, Bruiser BSB (with Rune Maw banner) and Firebelly at second rank of the unit. Ultra hard to kill and while putting out great damage in return.
Gnoblars. They tend to be overlooked in favour for the more brute force of the ogre bulls, but it is said that half the battle is won through deployment. Now look at those 2 point gnoblars, you can field a massive load of them in tiny units, thus forcing the enemy to deploy his important units first so that you counter deploy. Don't try using them as a screen/chaff however, one of the strengths of your army is your mobility and if you have to wait on these little guys to catch up (or worse yet, having them in front of your Ogres) you'll be losing that bonus.
"Ogre Buffet Line:" Slaughtermaster with Level 4 Great Maw, Glittering Scales & Fencing Blades (getting hit on 5+ at worst), Butcher with Level 1 Beasts & Hellheart, Bruiser with Ironfist & Dragonhide Banner. All of these in a unit with 15 Bulls in a 6x3 Horde formation. You'll run down anything, and there is no hero in the game more tanky than your buffed up WS10/S6/T7 Slaughtermaster.
VS Dwarves: You have to get into combat now, every turn out of CC is dead ogres from all those war machines. The other option is to get something, anything that moves fast enough to go hunt said war machines down.
VS Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings: you need to take down those wizards, the sooner the better as they will most likely be more powerful than your own and will make the bones too numerous to deal with. Secondly you need to win combat fast, the longer the fight the better for the undead as even zombies can kill ogres given enough time.
VS Skaven: kill the general and watch them fall apart (this can be tricky if the general continues to bounce around the field, so remember to always dispel skitterleap. Also, Cracks, Call and Globe can wreck havok in your lines), just take care around the weapons teams and war machines, they are inaccurate to the point of crazy but if they do roll well they can ruin your day in a hurry. Their Warp Lightning Cannon is your death, as it cannot be stopped like other cannonballs. Also beware the Doomwheel.
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